Back then I thought Jeanne D'Arc was the strongest servant. Now she is just a great servant.

Astraea is definitely too low. Even to this day she's cracked. Arts servants are the ones that better utilize crits precisely because it enables them to loop their NPs like crazy. Also, she has Ignore Invul on her NP, which is the best place for one to have this effect. This is one serious advantage she has over Kagetora. EX tier for me.

One unit I do think is terribly overated is Alter Nitocris. Like, her refund is bad, her damage is way below Spishtar, S. Kama and Mélusine, her supportive capabilities are kinda gimmicky and negligible... even the 100% battery is not amazing on an Arts looper. She's like Summer Kiara but done wrong. B+ tier for me.

The other positions I more or less agree with.

I agree with that point about crits for servants with bad NP gain, but I think Astraea's is high enough that it doesn't make enough difference to take up a large part of her skills, because NP gain is all it's good for. The damage will be insignificant. The ignore invul is nice but not an advantage over Kagetora unless the boss had unremovable invul. For Nito Alter, I like the Super Effective multiplier, and the battery allows flexibility. That's why I had her at A+.

I feel like Holmes could have been in E tier, you know, the E-sports tier :P

I agree Luvia is likely too low. That trait is a lot of enemies, so even at neutral, she was a highly effective damage dealer for me in challenge quests. And as a Ruler, she was pretty damn easy to raise if you farmed a dozen Lotto boxes.

If it wasn't for the fact that I rarely use her outside of challenges, I'd raise her Bond cap past L10.

Caren in ex? ehhhhh

Draco should be ex+. Beast is berserker but no downside against all classes defensively. Insanely good as a solo servant. Insanely good in team comps (arts duh). Also loopable and gosh that kit is insane. Definitely outclasses all the other extra classes in terms of class advantage.

Do not understand why himiko is so high. Really only viable in buster teams and esports

Also i do not understand why you put 4 arts avengers in the same tier. Spishtar is clearly better than nito avenger and marie alter

> Do not understand why himiko is so high. Really only viable in buster teams and esports

She is useful in a few spots. I use her for single target stall with Caster Artoria and Merlin, that extra level of overcharge is useful and her Buster crits do a lot of work. I also found her useful with my Illya for the overcharge damage buffs before we got Koyanskaya and Oberon.

Caren is arguably the best quick farmer in the game, and outstanding in challenge quests too. My personal criteria for EX+ was servants who are absolutely account changing on their own regardless of the rest of your roster. Basically the closest ones to must roll. This only applied to both Skadis, Castoria, and Koyan Light. I could see others being there with different criteria. The only other one close to being EX+ in this list was Summer Kuro. The only thing keeping her out of EX+ is the fact that you really need other meta supports to get the best use out of her. Himiko is mostly that high because of the overcharge, making her a great pairing with Castoria if you want to use Buster servants with Castoria. I could understand a lower placement. I find the loopers in A+ to be close enough in performance to all be in the same tier.

"best quick farmer in the game"

I mean... shouldn't berserkers be better because of class advantage? (do NOT quote me on that i never quick farmed)

Amakusa on the same tier as Salieri is a war crime. He should be A+ or at least A after the latest buff. 20% Buster resistance down, 20 NP regen all for 5 turns, enemy bar tick down, and AoE buff strip (before damage), attached with a 30% crit chances down, combined with the Ruler class tankiness aren't things you wanna scoff at. Unlike Caren, he's not a NP spammer, nor he has a damage mod like her, but in niche stall battles where the enemy is spamming buffs and crits after every few turns, that's where he shines the most. Like there were these difficult boss fights where no matter what Junao/Morgan or whatever stall comp I tired, I still couldn't clear them even after multiple retries. It was only after I decided to bring Amakusa I was able to clear them on first try