Talk:Helena Blavatsky/@comment-27.78.196.36-20170324154738/@comment-122.55.57.66-20170407065820

Should have probably mentioned that I'm a different anonymous user from the OP. I thought my dismissal of Merlin and different writing style would have made the point, but eh.

At any rate, arts chains are one thing but you're using up turns just to get the arts chain bonus. The only team that benefits from this is a dedicated arts team which isn't really a problem. But if I had the intention of using someone to help non-arts focused servants like Lancer Alter get their NP up faster, I would very much prefer the one with NP charge on a lower cooldown.

And what does hit counts have to do with literally anything when the subject is party NP gain support? Nobody cares about the supporter's hit count on this topic since they're not the ones we're trying to build NP up for (also, Helena has slightly below average NP gain for a Caster anyway to balance out the flat 50% damage up chance on Mahatma so this is even less important).

But a non-dedicated support having a flat 20% on a 5 turn cooldown with an additional effect alongside it? That's complete bull. And that effect, increasing buff success chance, is extremely substantial since it is so far the only one of its kind. Not just Hans, anyone with chance based skills like Tesla or Nero or Ozy himself benefits from this greatly. And they don't even need to worry about cooldowns either. If anything, Magical Tuning should have been more spammable because it provides less and requires far more investment.

I also would not use the all cards buff just for the sake of increasing NP gain when it also has a 7 turn cooldown at max level. That runs the heavy risk of it not being there when I actually, you know, need to NP.

And I honestly can't tell if you misunderstood me regarding Sanzang and Medea or if you're not a native English speaker. To begin with, I'm not comparing them to Helena, I'm comparing them to eachother. Second, can they be compared? Hell yes. They can do various other things but above all else, both are single target NP spammers. That is their main role much like how we can call Fuuma a star generator (which lets us compare him with CA Hassan, Jack, Kiritsugu, etc) or Rama a crit servant (which lets us compare him with Lancelot, Arturia Lancer Alter, Jeanne Alter, etc). Third, the point of bringing them up is to show that we can compare lower rarity servants with 5 stars. Hell by listing the examples after Fuuma and Rama, I just did it again. This is a direct complaint against your claim of "we can't compare this servant against a 5 star because he's a 5 star".