Talk:Prologue/December 26, 2017/@comment-12160982-20180102201223/@comment-28048698-20180103053806

@FGOHikaru: I understand your point, but it's like I said to Shikifan. The whole surprise attack isn't relevant here, because what I can't believe isn't how he was able to attack Da Vinci without her dodging the attack, or how he had the time or the aim to attack the heart. A surprise attack doesn't make you weaker, it only nullify your evasion. Even in the old Role Playing Games like D&D, the surprise attacks negate your reflexes, not your armor, or your endurance.

And even the weakest of all the Servants have Endurance E. It doesn't matter if it was just a human like Shakespeare, or the weakest of all the Servants (this time I am looking at you, Angra). And Endurance E value is 10. That means 10 times above an average human. In other words, Kirei need to hit with a 10-men strength to damage Da Vinci.

And ey, when we talk about hitting like 10 men, we are talking about having enough strenght to damage Da Vinci. But he not only damaged her. He completly pierced her body, from end to end. He pierced skin, muscle, hell, maybe even bones. In my humble opinion, to do that kind of damage you need more than just "enough strength to damage the enemy". And doing that with just his bare hands.

I think that kind of attack needs, at least, Strength D; in other words, value 20. The strength of 20 humans.

The reinforcement is a great magecraft, but it have his limits, and it highly depend on the magus who use it.