Talk:King Hassan/@comment-36.81.58.88-20170115133232/@comment-28209103-20170118113415

Oh, Hi Cal! it's just for the good of my heart really, tho turns out my partner doesn't have minimum "requirements" to understand simple argumentation,, I might take your advice and after this.

also Newb.. please if you're going to rant about long stuff make sure you have basic understanding of what your partner is  saying, you don't even get a single argument from me right.. sheesh. 1st Paragraph, remeber that I always said Jack is the best lone assassin, but this is a game with 3 servant on the field, a team. I could explain one by one why using Jack is almost a waste of CP for the team if you want to, but I might missed something hence I raise the question many time how to improve jack, meanwhile both Shuten and Cleo have really good support lineup and CE to buff them so they have potential to peform superior than Jack both as DPS dealer with extra utility.. see? you even failed to grab the very basic point here, what can I say if not that you have hard time in basic comprehension?

2nd, ever heard about the philoshopy of learning? first there's input, 2nd is Understanding, 3rd is falsification, 4th is acceptance, in my sarcasm case you've skipped on the 2nd process, a veteran who does care about Mechanic like Valeth will get where does Carmilla excel more than Jack and where Jack excel more than Carmilla, furthermore someone who care about mechanic will go "if X is weak in Y I have to pair him with Z to make up for the weakness." his point about Carmilla is valid, he gave acceptable argument, but I have my own data that NP 5 Carmilla hit harder than Jack which is a point he previously SPESIFICALLY raise. there's silent understanding among us because we have same base understanding on Carmilla, all I see is that you don't have the same basic hence you failed to get the implication. as I said, "NP 5 Carmilla is literally worse than NP 1 Jack" is acceptable argument if followed with explanation, in the first place I should've known you lack such basis from the first time you're questioning Stheno.

this also proven further by your last paragraph,, you completely failed to get the implication of peak peformance *sigh*, the simplest way to understand it is to define their function, then compare,, that's where I said you lack the base to understand the implication. if you ask people why they use Jack they'll say to gain star as 1st reason and 2nd "to slay boss/Female Rider" 3rd boss debuffer and 4th is healer, question, can her skill help her gain more stars? no, nor there's any need for any buff, then can her skill help killing boss? yes 1st skil, it's single time usage tho so you'll save it for last. 3rd debuffer, level 1 and 10 does pretty much same thing. 4th Healer,, this is the least possible reason to use Jack and pretty much just a bonus. for Jack her main asset are good NP gain and godly star gen, neither are boosted relieably by her skill, hence even at 10/10/10 She operates much the same like 1/1/1,. what so hard to understand about that? other than Jack there's Enkidu, Ruler Martha, Gilgamesh, Marie Antoinette, Mephistopheles and D'eon among other servant who are close to peak at 1/1/1. meanwhile some servant potential will skyrocket with 10 skill, 10/10/10 Cleo will gain Np faster, hit harder, much tougher and gain better stars than 1/1/1 Cleo. a 10/10/1 shuten will gave the party 40% atk advantage with just 2 click, compared to 20% at 1/1/1.

y'know i'm still trying to be polite here, and yes I'm literally like Kirei IRL, I love looking at people misery, but I do feel bad about it.. I'm resisting quite a bit here since you try to be civil albeit superficially. as Cal said this might be wasting my time but if you're earnestly trying to understand my train of thought paragraph written above pretty much sum it up, if you have question or disagree just point out which part, if you need further in depth analysis about Jack just say so, i'll write a blog about it and we could discuss it further there with concrete base without annoying other people. we could freely explore everything there, from individual quirks, supporting teamate, CE, to it's application on battle mechanic complete data and math if you're really interested. it might even start a new trend of servant mechanic discussion for those who're interested.