Talk:Artoria Pendragon (Lily)/@comment-2A02:120B:C3E3:1DF0:F1C3:6A32:967C:861B-20180318053934/@comment-32722691-20180411151623

Assumption is fine as is, I did assuming all servant skills are at lvl 10 and welfare are full NP5. But what I have a problem with is your assumption about tackling challenge quest would need a Art cycle team. It is one of the most effective options doesn't mean there are no other options. Hell I even build a pure raw attack up team to go against challenge quest sometimes just for the lul.

Now that I re-read all of your comments, especially that part where you compared Artoria with universal support like Hans/Waver/etc, I will just assume that you're not gonna play anything else but meta party (which is totally fine, your game your choice). But then why would you bother comparing them to begin with? Comparision between 2 servants should be restrict only to what better between the two. What you're saying is like:"Between Nightingale and Lily Medea then Medea is better because if you want buster up there are Merlin everywhere". Artoria can play the combat support role because she is versatile to the point she is so average in every aspect. She's underwhelming for a SRR, Lily case is that she's so underwhelming even in the R/Common rank. She's literally an expensive R with gold border (R stats, high lvl NP, mediocre skill set). New strengthening do help her live up to her reputation as a welfare but in 1 turn only and that's still bad.

Now I think I will just wrap it up here, you're entitled to stay firm in your opinion really. Pretty much whatever I'm gonna say is going to be disregarded and gone back to some Art team or NP damage so I'm pretty dispirited.

Oh, and btw that team I mentioned before is what I lazily built to run through Shimosa (worked surpisingly well against Shuten&Raikou) which is pretty challenging if you use knight class only so I don't think it is that supbar of a team but eh, not like you care anyway.