Talk:Avenger/@comment-43694960-20190908174442/@comment-33929439-20190913145429

I don't think that has ever been true.

Artoria saber/lancer were corrupted by the grail.

Cu and Jalter were created by the grail.

Okita was created by the counter force.

Atlanta is just her beast form.

Arjuna is the fusion of his pantheon of gods.

EMIYA  is the closest to that interpretation if you don't consider his alter as his unavoidable fate as a member counter force.