Talk:Ivan the Terrible/@comment-4802891-20180412020632/@comment-27971189-20180412044419

I'm pretty sure nobody will see him if he's weaker than this. Design aside, remember that Quetz need NP Seal attached to her NP despite her lore said nothing about it which make it looks like she needed it just to make sure she's legit competitor to Ozy.

That said, while his kit OP enough on paper that he looks like amazing SSR target, you might not really disappointed to miss him if you have access to Amakusa and/or Martha, or already used with Rule Breaker to settle things. Technically, the only advantages Ivan have over them is ability to push higher damage, especially Buster damage.

As for Ozy himself, its like Jeanne vs. Merlin argument again.

Feel free to argue that Jeanne losing her job because Merlin covers everything, but fact that Jeanne NP is more abusable and her skills are very effective against Servants won't change. Ivan may have easier time to pull higher damage with all his tools, but Ozy reign is still no joke.