Talk:Artoria Pendragon (Lily)/@comment-2A02:120B:C3E3:1DF0:F1C3:6A32:967C:861B-20180318053934/@comment-29893250-20180320005046

Lily is better than OG Artoria if you're talking NP1 for reasons explained in the text wall if you scroll down. OG Artoria is pretty bad. Saber alter I haven't done math on and don't happen to know her numbers from memory. Either way, if it was the case it'd have to do with the fact that it'd be on the assumption of a NP5 lily vs a NP1 Salter. I know Salter has a higher than normal base damage but Lily has an increased modifier too and coming at NP5, you're looking at a 700% modifier vs a 400 or 450% modifier. I forget which. If Salter is like... 10k atk or whatever, then 7.7k x 7 about 55k and 10k x 4 or 4.5 = 40k or 45k. Add on her charisma which I think is kinda weak like Lalter's. She's probably not NPing harder than lily. Even at best. She will, however, hit much harder on basics. Overall, Salter, an edge in total damage. Lily, small edge in aid to others, estimated NP damage and survivability because I think Lily can go off at least once easily enough.

I think they're relatively close enough. On the other hand, Salter is a 4 star and all it takes is one nice rate up. I have NP4 Lalter, half of it from the Merlin and Artorias rate up. NP>1 Salter will outperform lily.