Talk:Salem Chapter Release/@comment-103.63.116.174-20171206111834/@comment-27971189-20171208140234

Sorry but its not simply about tier list, just more about game balance;

Just because one game didn't have PVP then any tier list invalid as tier list still sorting characters who universally strong it help you until late game to character who need hard works to be as good as others; helping you to decide which one better to invest by looking at what you got in return--not all people have times to go 10/10/10 all Servants.

If you have to chose between investing to skills of either Altria or Waver, I'm pretty sure you would chose Waver first as it proven to help on long term unless waifu reason prove to be stronger.

About Foreigner, I still insist that from gameplay standpoint, Berserker did not need any hard counter yet unless you're that desperate or so wanting specific counter for specific class.

Realistically, Berserker already got double damage from other classes, having someone resist them didn't make any change as by this time, your party should be very capable to handle any Berserkers thrown at you.

Aside that, rarely any Berserkers opponent we met can be as stronger as Ibaraki Raid or as annoying as Shuten without story / event buff. Some may called for dodges or guts, but how many and how often Berserkers abusing Guts / Dodge / HP Regen was there that class resist needed?

My whole point is DW must be noticing this too.

Now they are experienced enough to design skill set and they do admit that Merlin is overpowered while some Servants design was a mistake. Its too hilarious if none of them realized how Berserkers rarely survive powercreep thus how Abigail skill set hardly offers something new.

I personally not expecting any OP gaijins coming soon enough until DW found some way so Berserkers are not so outdated. They've tried their best with Chacha and Bunyan, still not enough for entire Berserkers though.