Talk:Shuten Dōji/@comment-101.255.64.90-20160906095410/@comment-70.81.38.88-20161031034717

The main arguement is that ever since waver got buffed a year ago, no support has been able to compete with him, even in cases of rider-nodes.Shuten is not a bad support but I'd rather have waver on my team then a shuten. As for damage dealers, like all generic classes, they work well when they face their favorable class and suck when they face their counter, jack is just classic damage dealer, shuten a support, the two are not comparable, however supports are graded very harshly because if their utility does not make up for their lack of damage output and survivability, then they end up being in the loser tier, such is the case for her, but everyone still loves waifu.