Talk:Astolfo (Saber)/@comment-37888553-20191130042019/@comment-28209103-20191201015822

MHX is objectively the worst assassin if not SSR servant proved by the fact that DW need to buff ALL of her kit before she's even decent.

Kiara is so bad at release with all that shitty long CD on luxury class, at release even Lip are better than her. Not until she received skill cooldown reduction (the first recipient mind you) TWICE that she finally viable.

Brad are similar to Astolfo here.. vanilla kit. Brad had it worse because Parvati can do what she did and more at discounted price. Meanwhile Astolfo are in somewhat better position because neither Diarmuid nor Fran are tad good.

However that is if we limit it to quick based saber.. otherwise he need to compete with the likes of Munenori or Lancelot.

The easiest way to see how useless a SSR is is by comparing it to similar SR and see if you are at least indifferent or even prefer the SR over the SSR. If SSR cannot justify it cost compared to SR then it's a shitty unit.

Obviously comparing it to other similar SSR is also valid but oftentimes SSR have unique value that direct comparison is meaningless. E.g  Da Vinci, Anastasia, Kaoruko, and Nero are similar but hard to decide which are objectively better than others.