Talk:Artoria Pendragon/@comment-25685875-20170713064835/@comment-88.112.87.185-20170722210357

Uther and Merlin literally decided to conceive Arturia because of Vortigern, hell Uther was slain by Vortigern before Arturia even became public knowledge.

And you should re-read Fate, where it's spelled out literally multiple times that EVERYONE DEMANDED THAT SHE BE A EMOTIONLESS MACHINE, A PERFECT KING only to then start grumbling that she was being too perfect and too emotionless. Shirou, FUCKING SHIROU, who is autistic as all hell can see that.

And the condition for becoming that ideal king? To lose the ability to care for anyone directly, hell this is the very thing Merlin warns her about. But still. But STILL, she cared and protected them afterwards. Merlin despairs when Saber is about to leave for Rome, right before everything goes to hell, because he realizes Saber as an ideal king has no pride in her rule and only seeks for the best of her people.

"She settled every problem and worked hard in government affairs. She balanced the country without any deviations and punished people without a single mistake." -Fate, King's Memories

Literally the Perfect King. A warleader does not make a Perfect King, hell Garden of Avalon further expands on this; after Vortigern was gone there were droughts and hunger and she dealt with all of that for a decade and life went on. And still people complained.

And you should note that Iskander's biggest talent is noted as making up bullshit and that the whole point of FZ was to bully Saber into wanting cosmic suicide, not that she was specifically wrong. Lancelot, Gawain, Agravain, Tristan and Merlin all think that she was the ideal king and blamed themselves for the shit that happened. Hell, even Mordred at the conclusion of Apo realizes that no one ever tried to understand her father. Besides, nobody wanted a king who could understand that people's hearts, this is repeated time and time again in Fate. Everybody wanted her to be a heartless machine who could rule justly and fairly, but then started to bitch and moan when they got one. That's the central basis for Shirou's being so fucking mad at Saber in Fate; they're two peas in a pod.

So far, the only time anyone has been able to jump out of a worldline--without explicit personal ability to do so, such as with Zel and Archimedes---is by being ejected out of a culled world such as with No Name or Musashi. And I dunno what the official localization is, but the translators seem to prefer using the world "cull", though the root of the word is 伐採(bassai).