Talk:Setsubun 2018/@comment-31574368-20180118050951/@comment-177.148.157.106-20180120192215

Except I didn't say Gorgon is bad, I said she is mediocre, which she is. Just like the majority of servants in the game.

And why do you even need a go to Avenger? It's not like you get a bunch of Ruler bosses or mob enemies every single event or new singularity.

The question here is if it is worth it to level yet another Avenger when you already have Jalter, the only good Servant in the whole class.

The answer is, if you love that particularly Servant which happens to be an Avenger, go for it.

From a gameplay perspective? Avengers in general are really bad. Poor generation (both in NP and Stars, though the NP charge passive helps somewhat, it's still far from great), poor survivability, the second worst star weight in the game (barely beating Berserkers), only one, very rare, enemy class advantage other than Berserker (and Zerkers being offensive advantage only)...

To make an Avenger OTHER than Jalter actually shine, you require a fair amount of resources, both with CEs and Support-style servants. Just like pretty much all the other mediocre servants in the game.

People seem to believe that Jeanne Alter is good BECAUSE she is an Avenger, when in reality she is good IN SPITE of being an Avenger.