Talk:Heracles/@comment-35121543-20180327090432/@comment-27971189-20180327093413

That's ... very different case because two reason.

First, people like Hijikata, J. Alter and Raikou have star-absorption skill with them, this allowing them to access more CEs to push their damage further or granting them extra protection which Herc + star-absorption CE can't make it.

Second, IIRC the moment Dababu Hamatu Basu CE released, multiple HP bar is also introduced by coming of Part 1.5; the environment on story mode effectively became harsher for Berserker.

At that point, Herc absolutely need his Bond CE if he ever wish to contribute something; any option to increase his damage effectively lose to priority to survive, except for other contents, such as event and farming.

For current NA standard, indeed, Herc survivability is amazing without Bond CE, just like times when JP Server filled with people proudly cheesing Fuyuki -> Salomon with Herc. However people in JP Server already experiencing Lobo and Meltlilith damage fest-- with Abigail waiting at the end of the door.