Talk:Ryougi Shiki (Assassin)/@comment-2001:E68:5447:3650:FD79:64B5:2BC9:1BB0-20180206160918/@comment-28209103-20180207094530

depends on what you mean by "enough"

Osakabe, or rather most of the Quick servant post EoR starting to show some semblance of synergy, Hessian Lobo Avenger quick, his class means he doesn't have that high star absorb drawback that Assassin and Saber have.. Yan Qing is a star generator Assassin that could make up for the quick 'active' star gen requirement by having passive star gen and star distribution manipulation.. MHXA and Hijikata are quick type Zerker, their star absorb are even lower than Doggo, Hijikata doesn't slack when it comes to damage while MHXA generate stars for real + have party buff and star distribution tool. this largely solved the issue of class advantage and star distribution problem.. count me impressed because if anything this means that now using certain quick servant are worth the trouble for certain team.

On top of that as you said we have Osakabe, Maid Alter, and Zetian, Isthar Rider whole party quick up. Quick by design have a lot of snowballing power thus those Quick up are significant for quick team and the fact it's all party wide probably reflect those party snowballing power requirement.. so far so good, or so you would think..

Let me introduce a new problem on the quick team, which is survivability. Surprise-surprise, among those newer quick servant survivability become a glaring issue. I mean only Rin Rider, Osakabe, Doggo, and to certain extent Hozoin have any way to avoid certain death... this means one good AoE NP from boss and you're toast.

What Osakabe or rather newer quick type lack is not damage,, is how to avoid being wiped out and osakabe paltry 20% defense up and 1k hp up ain't the stuff for the Job,, maybe for regular fight, but definitely not for harder quest out there. However Quick team ain't as bad as before, now you can certainly have 1 attacker, one support and one semi support like other team.. they just need one more push, a good support that actually made the team a bit more durable..

And this is the some important bits, as someone who use Buster Crit before it's cool I would say that they would have the exact same problem as Quick if not for Memerlin. What set them apart from pre-memerlin buster crit is that Buster crit doesn't require snowballing,, what they need is instinct + anniv Blonde + star absorb + buff to make it works EXACTLY when it's needed to works. This means you're free to use Buster and Arts as much as you like for faster run.