Talk:Katsushika Hokusai (Saber)/@comment-43438671-20190821145732

"Can Scathach outperform Tamalancer without Skadi?"

Yeah, Scathach by herself already is one of the hardest hitting servants in game. When you consider effectiveness, TamaLancer vs Males hit as hard as a normal Scathach, while Scathach vs Divine/Undead is the highest damage in game. Not only that, her DPS is more consistent with Crit Dmg 3T vs 1T from TamaLancer.

When they both were considered the same tier, it was considering TamaLancer with potencial perfect support vs Scathach without said type of support. By herself, Scathach is much better than TamaLancer. If you have problems with they being ranked the same before but not now, then they shouldn't be since before. But it was because tier consider actual scenario, live gameplay, not just theorycraft from a single unit when this is a synergetic game.

I have TamaLancer too, don't need to explain her. I didn't say the 3rd skill demerit wasn't manageble, just unreliable. Not always you'll have it the right CC to counter it. And it might occour when se mostly need it. And even so, she still has a demerit on 2nd skill. It might not even bother on normal quests, but it's pretty annoying in Challenge Quests.

Pseudo-support capabilities are a common thing through Scathach, Brynhildr and TamaLancer. In any case, for the Buster setup, even Brynhildr outperforms TamaLancer in both Dmg and support. When Brynhildr is tiered as a B, TamaLancer shouldn't be the same, so i agree with Tama being C.