Talk:Saber Wars Event Re-run/@comment-29027964-20180316020519/@comment-34208015-20180317093215

Once again who are you to decide that 60% stun chance + 20 % defense debuff is superior to a 80% stun chance? Neither you nor me can dictate such hierarchical order. It's not like comparing a 15% charisma and a 20% charisma. Comparing Shuten charm and MHX stun is like comparing apple with orange: they don't the same exactly the properties yet you're saying "apples suck because, orange are way better". If it's just your standard then good for you and some people may perfer like you Shuten charm but there may also be people that prefer MHX stun for the much higher proc rate.

I don't know I should thanks for your lesson about stuns because from what I understand, you are not even treating AOE stun as stun! And you take as given that all AOE stun must come with a debuff/buff additional effect or rather should I say that you consider that some buff/debuff can have AOE stun chance as extra effect. Your policy of "the sooner is the better" is a general policy for using buff/debuff and not a stun.

'''A stun is used delay the ennemy turn, typically the NP turn. '''For instance you have 2 NP in coming you use AOE stun to delay the ennemy turn to delay their NP for at least one ennemy so that you can focus fire on the second and eliminate it before it can use his NP.

Based of this usage there is no difference between a 8 turn CD stun with delayed effect and a 7 (or even 6) turn CD stun with immediate effect (at least vs Saber, Lancer, Caster and Rider as long as they don't irregular pattern) in term of CD duration since you'll use MHX stun 1 turn earlier than Shuten charm.

Now that's being said: Respect as you said start by not claming, all and mighty, that "this sucks" or "thats sucks", by not telling people to do their homework about stun while yourself are not using them properly for what their are: a stun.