Talk:Arjuna/@comment-31760473-20170714014627/@comment-39.47.48.212-20170823174631

Gilgamesh doesn't have Clairvoyance. Also, Gilgamesh is an archer, parameters don't matter for archers, but they DO matter for melee fights. Gil-Enkidu-Karna are not A-tier, they are certainly EX. Artoria, Siegfried are A-tier and Rounds are not quite A but slightly below, therefore more of an A- than a B. Camelot 'itself being messed up' is hardly a proper argument. Once again the person who beat Mordred and Gawain HS was NOT Bedivere HS. It was Bedivere HUMAN.

About Mordred being burnt due to her skill, Airgetlam also burnt Bedivere. He had help in his final fight vs Lion King, but the other 2 were Knight's challenges, which strongly implies 1v1. In the last fight, he asks Mashu to help. In the others, the entire dialogue is between him and the Knights.

As per the dialogue references I gave from the chapter, it is quite clear he took and beat Mordred and Gawain om his own. As a HUMAN. A human beating HS is ridiculous, and once he becomes HS Airgetlam no longer burns him so he is no longer limited.

At the end of Camelot, his soul was completely destroyed. Yet, the magnitude of what he did was so great that he was registered onto the Throne of Heroes. There's too much that says Bedivere is on at least the same level as Mordred and Tristan. Of course, if you still deny it, then it's your opinion and we'll just agree to disagree.

I put everything into my argument already. The player does not help Bedivere much btw. Since Bedivere is not a servant not under a contract, it's all an illusion, and he is actually just a human.

Also, please don't call it Agateram. It hurts