Talk:Artoria Pendragon/@comment-35149442-20180530050556/@comment-28209103-20180531183928

> Spam NP? Lol only if you have her NP5 but it's very rare thing.

and here's another genius quote,,lol. whatever

anyway the reason Artoria is bad is simply because her role is basic coupled with her SSR cost to raise making it her innefficient. Here's the thing bad or good or rather contrast cannot be determined without comparison. If I ask wether 5 storied building is tall or not then probably you'll say it's tall because you're comparing it with your height. However if you compare it to 10 storied building then it is not so tall anymore.

Similarly to that line of logic Artoria are surrounded by others who can do what she did cheaper, better or even did stuff she couldn't do. With that being said the biggest offender that makes her looks bad is Saber Alter.. The Alter are slightly inferior in term of skill but do the exact same thing as Saber with half of her cost to raise and 4 point cheaper to deploy. use the exact same setup you described with Alters and you'll get similar result while saving you over 60 mil QP, and 4 team point.

then we have other SSR saber that specialized in AoE damage,, Saber have the edge in damage due to Mana Burst + Charisma combination, however there's nothing else beyond that. This is fatal because burst damage is not tad useful on AoE servant without crit kit. In other word other than farming mooks there's not much use you can draw from her. In comparison the other AoE Sabers have other plus value when dealing with non mobs situation.

Using Dragon Witch or buff stack ain't something only you can think off, The reason why she's considered bad is unrelated to her usage, it's simply bad when you compare it to other stuff out there.. HOWEVER she's just bad in  comparative sense, you can call it tall or short but a 5 storied building is still a 5 storied building; In other word she did her job perfectly as it is.

Just continue using her as usual and ignore above max-min calculation. Such thing are only important if you actually care bout it,, otherwise it's unrelated to you or your enjoyment.. there's no correct way to play afterall,,, if you love fine tuning team efficiency then do so, playing with bronze-silver only is also good because retired servant and quest clear time doesn't really matter most of the time.