Talk:10M Downloads Campaign/@comment-119.95.222.228-20170919232318/@comment-29893250-20170920062238

Medea lily is far superior. Helena does more stuff but she will have a tendency to overlap with any other stupport servant. Also, her CDs are very high, forcing you to level her skills massively before she does much and even then her CDs are very high. Versatile, yes. Also high investment and easily replaceable by others. Medea lily is a dedicated healer. The only other 4 star healer is Martha and Medea Lily is way more significant as one. Merlin and Tamamo also heal well of course but outside those two, the only other heavy spammable healer is... Medea lily.

Another thing to consider is that in a hypothetical team comp, Helena doesn't fit for you really. Let's say you want an arts team. Nero, Bride, support Tamamo. Hijikata, Bride, support Merlin. Now let's say you need a DPS support and thus you need 2 supports (and that Hans doesn't fit for this job). Helena provides a bit of a charge but won't be able to do it often. She can provide stars but not too many. She can give card type boosting but it isn't all that massive, only flexible. Yet if it was quicks you wanted, you wouldn't do it. If arts, you have that first setup I mentioned. If buster, the second. Yes, you can spam a little but to what end? You have no real longevity. Now compare to Medea lily. She has cleanse, heavy heal, and NP on command. That allows you to play her, bride, and any DPS you want. It leaves you enough arts to still cycle and gives you the time to let the support servant you already have (bride) do her job of propping up your friend support DPS while you don't die. I have NP2-3 Helena (I forget how many I stopped at before feeding her to the furnace for a Mona Lisa CE) and NP1 Medea lily. I also have Merlin. I still find uses for Medea lily. Sometimes because of the cleanse, sometimes because of the big repeated heals that exceed Merlin's whereas even if I'm not using Merlin, I've never found a case where I've really felt Helena's support to be all that ideal and have other servants who do the not healing centric support job better for my purposes. Bride, Merlin, Hans, Marie caster... I just feel that there's a huge benefit to having your support abilities tacked onto your noble phantasm gives you a massive edge up, something that's common to all of the ones I listed aside bride and we know bride gets a pass on this because her support capabilities are so potent and flexible. All Helena does with her NP is fire off a crowd clearer that's not doing anything to prop up your DPS and her damage isn't good enough to make herself much of a DPS, leaving her in an awkward spot.