Talk:Servant Strengthening Quests Part IX/@comment-25612186-20180802180948/@comment-29893250-20180803064529

The point isn't that a 5 star should need to be higher than NP1 to match the effects. It is a given fact that the strength of bronzes, silver,s and welfares are that easy to get NP5 status. That's what they get in exchange for not having those monster stats and in recent times not having those multilayered abilities. Survivability is the problem of just about every beserker not named Cu alter. Yes, she is unique but there's what I call the rule of the jack of all trades. In a balanced setting, the more things you're good at, the less stringent the specialization. The fewer things you're good at, the more stringent the specialization can be allowed to be. Nightingale is a berserker, giving her an inherent strength (more damage) and an inherent weakness (lower survivability). This is immediately opposite of stalling and healing which means she's a hybrid healer at best. So she shouldn't surpass a dedicated healer or defensive servant in their role in a balanced system. Yes, she does have a weakness but it isn't totally debilitating as people keep servants of comparable toughness alive just fine and in exchange for that extra level of coddling, she does have some strengths such as the inherently higher dps of a berserker. It'd be nice for her to be heavily self sufficient in defending herself but I think it is somewhat unreasonable with the current class and direction of her kit. She's already got 2 skills mostly invested in offense and has berserker and a class. That's not about to change. Some servants have skills to plug holes and cover weaknesses. Others stick to skills that play to their strengths and Nightingale is that variable support that needs to be supported.

Cykalord, I'm aware that you can choose to use Nightingale in the semi unique role of a DPS healer. I don't think anyone is disputing that there's basically no one else that does that. It is a little bit slow in that DPS department but she will definitely survive quite well when she's the DPS instead of supporting another one. I took this like of discussion because she was being compared to Merlin and Hans. So I assumed the topic was comparing her to their job which as I said she can't be expected to exceed them in.