Talk:Li Shuwen/@comment-25848535-20190108144553/@comment-37657024-20190108222835

Skadi completely changed the game for NP Loopers that can generate their own Stars (Jack and Okita, for example).

100% Crit buff for 3 turns alongside the equivalent of a Mana Burst is borderline broken (and that is considering a single Skadi), even more so for a Servant that can use said buff on half of her cards. Jack's damage output is above Li because she has better support, it's simple as that. The fact that her Overcharge effect is great for her niche is just a bonus.

Jack also can NP Spam just as easy as Li, thanks to her higher NP gen and five hit quick cards, just like Okita can NP Spam just as easily as Nero Bride (ignoring Nero's NP Gain skill, which can be used on Okita). Even more so if you do factor Skadi in the picture.

Looking at their kit alone, in a vacuum, Li is better. Has slightly less utility (no heal, no buff removal, though a decent single target Def Down on his NP), but a monster one turn burst (50% attack + 100% crit for one turn). The fact that Jack has a better support is the reason why she remains at the top (same reason why Buster Servants were shitting on everyone else before Skadi became a thing, because Merlin was miles ahead of any other support in the game).