Talk:Katsushika Hokusai (Saber)/@comment-37946388-20190818012911/@comment-43438671-20190819075001

First of all, you guys are getting the wrong evaluation. That one is the "Specifications and regular evaluation" not the main 4*/5* tier list. I won't say much about that, because i dont't know about it. But as an exemple, Summer JeanneA which goes on the B Rank at 4* Tier list, is in SS on the Tier you're arguing. https://prnt.sc/ougvmi

Secondly, as we now know this isn't the normal 4*/5* tier, if you look at said tiers will see they are still under evaluation. The only one who had an Tier before was Musashi, which was half retired prolly because it was an premature evaluation. http://prntscr.com/ouhgju I won't say in the 4* cases, because the only one i played was Hokusai, but i would like to say somethings of Musashi.

The 5* AoE tier aren't just for NP Spaming. Usually they also take account all of the servants strengths. If you look at the higher AoEs there, they all have other utilities + being amazing spammers. The same applies to Dantes and Hokusai someone said before. Dantes being Avenger (ridiculous high atk + high modifier + good passives) and having good skills, is prolly one of the best (if not the best one) farmers but he's also amazingly good at High Difficult/Challenge Quests, especially with the Overgauge which most of the time mess up with ST units. Hokusai also has amazing NP spam, but also has greater Dmg vs Man atribute and has a niche stacking Def debuff. I agree at Musashi not being bad at all, but isn't fair to compare her to such better characters.

Musashi definitively is a good unit/spammer, but she doesn't do much other than that, things higher units can do. For me, she's a easy B unit, but nothing more than that. Even her "niche" thing is kinda meh which is a decent effect but restricted to Saber, different of Hokusai's case which is an amazing effect.

Of couse you shouldn't let a tier control your gaming play, but tier isn't about "which unit is funier to play". Having a strictly "competitive" Tier list doesn't comflict with your choices on fun playing, it's just an analyze and comparison of different characters with similar rolls.