Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-28209103-20180214175505

and stop writing in 2 parts, I almost missed the continuation

and it still missed the whole point.. really.

If you wanted to highlight every single scenario that "hey they perform worst at this setup" or hey "there's other servant that are better on other class" then it's no longer talk bout SR RIder ranking... not to mention you keep singing praises bout Astolfo "greatness" while you can't even pinpoint the strength of other SR Rider correctly

Here's how you compare them

Marie and Astolfo are both mook farmer with 3 hit invul, one stall, effectively they're stall-survivalist type. however Marie are better at surviving because that is her job. Astolfo outdone her in damage department and more universal stall but how impressive is that given that his stall took 8 turns to cooldown and their NP are only good to farm mook? In Np gain departement Marie NP gain are above average with her AAQQ deck while Astolfo need to wait for those 8 turns to make up for his shitty NP gain.

Santa Alter and Astolfo similarity is that both are mook farmer, however again you completely missed the point here, again. It's not even comparison of NP gain vs NP charge, it's comparison of weak NP that can only farm mook vs Single Target damage AoE that could be used to wipe mook or boss. You're the ridiculous one for even thinking that NP charge and NP damage are comparable when I already stated it clearly (I F'cking write it clearly) that Santa Alter word to word "have higher damage ceilings."

Get back from your delusion please... maybe then you'll be able to read better..

The last one is the most ridiculous, not only you compare it across class (which is already out of context because we're talking bout SR Rider) it's apple to orange comparison. What Medea Lily did? Heal, Remove debuff. what Martha did? Heal, remove debuff, GIVE DEBUFF, REMOVE ENEMY BUFF, DEAL AoE DAMAGE. Ergo, your comparison is exactly the definition of desperate.

and this is the pinnacle of not even understanding the strength of those servant is that you can't even pinpoint the strength of Astolfo correctly not to mention the other servant, but I have to highlight this one point :

Faster NP gain that most of the list? yeah right Astolfo are dependent on 8 turns cooldown 50% Np charge, that's longer than most mook farming routine and his natural NP gain is literally the worst.. LITERALLY. among the list Santa Alter is the slowest at filling her bar, while the other have no problem filling it in 2 rotation, the top is Kinbro, Martha and Isthar that could go from 0 to 100% in one turn.

The rest is pretty much you're agreeing to what I said that Astolfo is a jack-of-all-trades Master of none.. like Literally that's what I said. He could do all that but he'll end up half assed at it because he's trying to be everything (in case you don't know this is the very description of jack of all trades). and I already said that being jack of all trade is bad exactly because it means that.. he lack specialization therefore no + value to use him.There's no loss when you discard him, and there's small gain if you use him is exactly the problem of jack of all trades.

If quick team are better then maybe he could be valuable quick Rider but sadly Quick team are still distant from being good.. and if you still not convinced, go think up of a team that are spesifically tailored to make him good,, then consider this, does changing Astolfo out with other SR or even lower Rider will give you better result in that team? 99% of the time I would say yes to that question ergo he's the worst SR that literally are the worst option in most scenario and team build.