Talk:Achilles/@comment-35474817-20180502213314/@comment-27971189-20180503053250


 * Didn't have Angel Cry or Fox Wedding

Osakabehime has that, locked on her NP, which fit the Quick theme better over targetable ones like said two. Due to Quick favor snowballing, Quick party-wide buff easily stand higher than targetable Quick buff.

I do agree about his issue is that he is NP-oriented Servant.

It does limiting his regular damage, current raid being strong example. Achilles lack of Buster card hamper him when you're going rag-tag, as Spartacus, Fran and Vlad could kill you soon due to his high damage at most times goes to his NP. Still, his skill and relatively low cooldown balanced it enough that it shouldn't be major issue to you especially if you.

As comparison to Ivan, I'm not with majority, I'd say Achilles has advantages here.

Ivan buff removal, which is his most praised skill, is awesome, but even in difficult quest, perma-buff that unremovable tend to appears. It comes at cost of his Invul and ATK debuff too; so, whatever you want to among that three, it comes with considerable cost. As I said in Ivan page, not that awesome if you already used to Medea's Rule Breaker.

Achilles taunt and invul may has higher value as, at this point, you should be aware that you can use it anywhere, anytime. Considering Mashu state, you can say reduce Mashu burden with Achilles, especially under her Lostbelt skill set.

While passive star-gen looks good as well, Ivan is a Rider. His absorption is high that it might difficult for other to crits in case you need it, if Ivan is the only one generating stars there.

With Achilles, you know you can ask for stars with his NP, especially his buffed Quick chain. If you count the card, it shouldn't be hard to supply stars when you exactly need it. The only drawback in this is that you need his NP to be always ready ASAP which not that hard to achieve even with LB 3* CE.

The scariest part of Achilles is all three of his skils are good, fully supporting his specialties, can be used anywhere and you know it cost you nothing except using taunt without invul. or defense up which risks his HP.

Conclusion, for me, Achilles is better than Ivan because he's more splashable than Ivan.

Rider biggest problem can be said pretty much down to their star-absorption; not all Rider have kit capable to make up for such high absorption. Achilles display strong versatility with little to no cost similar to Drake, fitting their SSR status; assure me that he's not as bad as what people said, especially those who hyped Ivan and see there will be no good SSR Rider after Ivan.