Talk:Sessyoin Kiara/@comment-82.232.29.236-20170510201114/@comment-28209103-20170511123224

nope, Nero ignores 110% + 3000 damage down.. so yeah pretty sure you can't hold the fort with def buf no matter how high it goes.. altho Nero NP might be reduced by 10% + 3000 so I dunno.... I mean technically it's impossible to stack 200% def to test it without deliberately doing buff and switch,,

My base to test is Da Vinci with Waver+ Tamamo. compared to let's say Helena her damage doesn't seems to receive noticeable spike after 30% def down.. at least Helena went up quite a lot from 35k to 50k.. Da Vinci seems stable at 35k unless you overcharge her..

tho I never really do test to determine that.. it's just something I noticed while farm. at least it's been a while since I used Da Vinci with waver cuz I assume that ignores defense won't benefit much from defense down. therefore I focus more on damage buff.. If interested you can always test this with Kiara since she have def down and def ignores complete kit.