Talk:Super Orion/@comment-6688553-20191220061845/@comment-34208015-20191222081005

>  why Kuro with 2 wavers when Kuro got her own np charge? Waver + Tamamo is enough for Kuro to do stable NP loop, and if you use BB as 3rd support then Kuro can loop as good as MHX

No she's not. If you go double Tamamo + Waver you have damage but not stability, if you go Tamamo + double Waver or Tamamo + Waver + Summer BB than you have stability but much less damage. BG MHX can do double Skadi + Summer BB or Waver and can have both damage and stability at the same time on top of having more damage then Kuro from starter. That's why she's the best ST Saber killer right now.

> Or the enemy got status immunity or having dodge / invul as his break trigger, heck even a def up is enough to hinder the spam

Okay... then CG + Sherlock or Calamity Jane '-'

​​​​​​​> Saying Archuria is more vulnerable vs saber than MHX just because the lack of invul is absurd.VS saber she pretty much got near 30k hp, coupled with heal + def up

And what about full charge on bar break then nuke Archuria? The point is that MHX has her ass covered in most cases (including vs NP) with her invuln while Archuria still take damage hence she is more vulnerable in most cases. I mean between taking no damage and taking half damage, I don't hesitate for long.