Talk:Artoria Pendragon (Lancer)/@comment-31760473-20170428011305/@comment-27971189-20170505040750

@ Fanon

To be fair the fight happened in Romania where Vlad got 100% fame boost (not counting other circumstances). If the fight happened in neutral place where no one got fame boost, Karna won't troubled. Hell, even Nasu himself said that Herc can be nearly invincible if he fight in Greek because 100% fame boost.

@ Velox

Karna can stand a chance against him with his full arsenal is not my opinion, its Gil opinion himself.

At CCC and Extella, Gil do respect Karna as his equal because his combat abilities and possessing 'beautiful and high-quality NP' that not exist in Gate of Babylon;

Gil himself understand through his eyes that Karna is hero with ill fate, if such circumstances that made Karna in his weakest form not exist, Gil will be ready in his serious mode

If you ask my opinion, I don't consider Indrajit as OP equal to Gil. Mind you despite his fame as one of strong warrior in Indian lore, his story told it doesn't take much effort to defeat him; he's strong but not beyond reach of heroes on Rama level.

Karna is on whole different level. How many times you see gods, including greater gods, resort to cheating so Karna can be defeated. Even most war generals at his times goes, "If there's Karna in your army, I do not want to fight you!" (except those who thought of cheating).

Even Khrisna, strongest avatar of Vishnu, admit that Karna is pinnacle of heroes that its hard to believe he is mortal. Indrajit may defeat Indra, but Karna still the only person, a mortal, managed to score "He is too OP, neither I or Arjuna can't win if we fight him fairly" in Indra mind.