Talk:Tamamo no Mae/@comment-27683600-20170901071633/@comment-27150130-20170903041322

@James: The statement in Extra does not specify Arcueid weakened or not. It just said that only a very few individuals i.e Arcueid has a super tiny chance to create a situation where you can maybe beat Amaterasu, So it's not that she is powerful than Arcueid (not specified which form), it's that she's too OP that even Arcueid (not specified which form) has literally something like 0,00000001% chance to not beat her, but create an exploit that give you a chance to beat her. Most likely it will come into play when Arcueid comes to FGO like how we managed to beat Tiamat with the cost of 1 grand servant, help from 1 other grand servant and 5 goddesses. Maybe Amaterasu has super conceptual defense that only a very few beings can get through. Going by Extella she is even stronger than the Umbral Star at max power, the same umbral star who trashed the age of gods, the same umbral star who Archiemdes said "beyond the counter force". If Amaterasu is even stronger than something beyond the counter force and her energy level is as much as a star. We can assume that she's like a special Ultimate One. In term of scale, a star is way bigger than a planet so I don't think even full power Arcueid (represent a planet) can do anything. But like I said, vague statements and such, need more information. Beside, as a servant Tamamo can't use full power so it's debatable about her standing vs others because she rarely shows full capability even as a servant.

@Hikaru She said she can easily beat 100 heroic spirits. And guess who was fighting 100 or so heroic spirits in FGO? Goetia. Goetia couldn't tamper with the future while Amaterasu kidnapped MC from the freaking future, in a cyberworld, to the age of gods. That alone put her on higher ground compare to him, I don't think she's bluffing. One good thing to note that Tamamo said the exact same line Arcueid said in Extra when she denied the firewall in arena, even ignored the delete process, according to Extella Zero. Nasu even tried to drill it in our head that it is similar to how Arcueid survived the firewall for some reason. And Gil didn't manage to hack the moon cell at all. He lost 90% of GoB just trying to get to the HGW to become MC's servant.