Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-173.206.31.107-20180120100751

most of the people who claim he sucks without explination are just idiotic bandwagon haters or are talking about him on release and not after buffs.

he has some downsides like all servants, in his case his np gain and his first and 2nd skill are subpar. he has one of the most powerful defensive NP effects in the game that actually comes with damage and even though there's some rng in it a large chunk of stars 2/3 times per turn is still pretty good as a bonus effect for an NP charge skill

his subpar skills aren't really enough to call him bad considering most servants have at least 1 pretty bad skill, and his third is really overloaded after the upgrade.

He's still not amazing, and his kit makes him awkward to really build around in a team since he doesn't generate enough stars by himself, and has a hard time being the main damage source with 3 quick cards in his deck and rng on his crit damage buff. But he's definitely not as bad as some people make him out to be.