Talk:Orion/@comment-36517927-20180927052855/@comment-33190109-20190129201456

I know it's been over two months since the Euryale VS. Orion discussion, but there's something I'd like to clarify.

Let's compare Euryale and Orion's NPAA Brave Chains in terms of damage and NP gain, both against male Sabers, both max fou'd, and both with maxed skills, and both crit on the second and third cards. Euryale is NP5 and Orion is NP1, post-interlude.

Euryale:

NP damage: 0.95*8,032*12*2.5*1.3*2*0.25 = 148,792

NP refund: 1*3*1.3*0.9 = 3.51%

2nd card damage: 0.95*8,032*1.2*1.3*2*2*1.11*0.25 = 13,212

NP gain on 2nd card: 2*0.9*(4.5*1.3+1)*2 = 24.66%

3rd card damage: 0.95*8,032*1.4*1.3*2*2*1.11*0.25 = 15,414

NP gain on 3rd card: 2*0.9*(6*1.3+1)*2 = 35.28%

Extra card damage: 0.95*8,032*3.5*0.25 = 6,676

NP gain on Extra card: 3*0.9*2 = 5.4%

Total damage: 184,094

Total NP gain: 68.85%

Orion:

NP damage: 0.95*12,107*12*2*1.2*2*0.25 = 165,623

NP refund: 5*3 = 15%

2nd card damage: 0.95*12,107*1.2*1.2*2*2*1.45*0.25 = 24,015

NP gain on 2nd card: 1*1*(4.5+1)*2 = 11%

3rd card damage: 0.95*12,107*1.4*1.2*2*2*1.45*0.25 = 28,018

NP gain on 3rd card: 1*1*(6+1)*2 = 14%

Extra card damage: 0.95*12,107*3.5*1.2*2 = 24,153

NP gain on Extra card: 4*1*2 = 8%

Total damage: 241,809

Total NP gain: 48%

You are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong in my calculations.

Euryale doesn't outdamage Orion that easily. It's also important to point out that Euryale's buffs are limited to her NP and Arts cards, while Orion's buffs apply to all of his cards. And Orion's NP gain isn't THAT bad. It's also not as if his card damage is nonexistent in turns between NPs.

And it terms of NP drain, Orion is definitely better. In the six turns of Euryale's unreliable drain cooldown, Orion should be able to reliably drain a second time.

It's not too hard to set crits for either Euryale or Orion. You can use 2030, Hans, Casgil, etc. There are also the stars from Brave Chains and occasional Quick cards. Those may not be enough for a consistent critical team, but they should enable crits fairly often.

Orion is a lot tankier than Euryale. He has ATK down for 3 turns, which he can stack to 70% defense with his first skill, and evasion on top of that.

I'm not saying that Orion is necessarily better - I personally think it depends on the situation. But I do think Orion's weaknesses are often overblown.