Talk:EMIYA/@comment-33739498-20180702112237/@comment-35471151-20180709135824

Hmm I really didn't think of the "amount of effort" put into killing Heracles as I'm pretty sure a lot of other Servants will at most only be able to hurt Heracles and much less kill him. Even if they did they would have to find 11 (12?) other ways to kill him each having to be B rank above. IMO He's vast array of different NP puts him around mid tier already seeing as bottom tier woul be the non-combatant servants (ex. Shakespeare, Marie) and weaker combatants (SGilles, The pirates, serial killers (cough* Jack) and the like and the next rank ranging from warriors/ soldiers such as Okita (she is lorewise weak due to TB) and Li Shuwen to partially known heroes such as Hector and Diarmund. I would put the higher ranks be the Knights of the round, Kings, Slayers, well known heroes etc. And then the Servants with high Divinity. Based on your servants the "real deal" would be the Knights of the Round, Siegfried, Cu, Karna, Gil, etc. I have no doubts that they can all hand Emiya's ass on a platter but I also take into account that Emiya is an archer precisely because he will never fight fair and square against such threats and will attempt to use his vast array of NP's to exploit the hell out of his enemies such as using Dragon/ Divine slaying NP's, take advantage of moral codes etc. With regards to combat experience I agree. He got his ass handed to him when Cu started getting serious. But c'mon Cu deserves better than 3 stars and sure as hell is a cut above the other lower tier heroes. It is almost impossible for Emiya to defeat Divine HS's even with UBW backing him up. Afaik Gil was just a special case and arrogant to not take him seriously which is still a valid win for Emiya, seeing as how personality should be taken into account seeing as Mental judgement and cautiousness are factors to take into account during battles, hell a lot of factors are to be considered. But at that moment in time Gil was being too much of an arrogant prick to wear his armour and use EA. Anyway Mid tier at least for me doesn't seem like a strech. That's just my opinion, fully agree with the SAlter and Prisma Illya points though.