Talk:Tamamo no Mae (Lancer)/@comment-24978536-20181022160537/@comment-35280522-20181022173537

Valenth. If you read again what I said, I explicitly said that I don't think she needs an upgrade. Neither several others. And I agree a lot with what you said in the Scathach post. I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. If you look at the group of servants none of them ever got anything. I am not saying it may not be a coincidence. But this is Bayes updating. Conditional on the information we have, they did not, as a group, receive anything. We may or may not in the future. I am just conditioning on the information we have.

You mention for example Waver. True he did not receive anything, but his group, SSR support casters did: Tamamo got 2. You mention J. Alter as a limited did not either. Nero Bride did. Bryn did too. Scathach did.

My only claim was this. Take a summer servant. What is the probability you would assign to them getting upgrades in the future? With current information? 0. It could be as you said that it is because they are strong enough right now. But that is an assumption as valid as any other. Conditioning on the information we have, summer servants do not get upgrades. That is the only claim I can assign probability 1. Whether that changes or not is something to see in the future. I hope you are right. And this is just them considered very strong from point 0 instead of what I think it is that they are just not getting upgrades as they are not taken into account for being summer servants.