Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-173.206.31.107-20180214150249

> 1st point, that's argumentation from ignorance

No that's actually a really bad argument from you, cause you're saying cause it's specific it's somehow good even though the astolfo's skill isn't situational it's worst. It's like saying a 100pct stun skill that works on a third of the servants in the game is better then a 90pct stun skill that works on all the enemies in the game. So no you're wrong on that it's not argument from ignorance your argument is literally because it's specific it's somehow better then a general use skill.

> and it's even more laughable that you bring up Anne, one of the finest nuker and crit hitter in rider class, like really.

It's actually rediculous you called him the worst SR rider in the game then say, anne is the best nuker ect ect when they literally aren't even doing the same rolls. Yes ik anne is potentially the highest damaging nuke in the game, problem is you flatout said astolfo's the worst SR rider in the game and yet there's so many circumstances where Anne is flatout deadweight without star generators.

> That's taking my whole point out of context, I'm pretty sure I always state my main argument first and foremost and emphasis it again in the end but in case you missed it or can't even spot it here :

no i didn't take it out of context i just used your example to quote how rediculous your strawman was. cause your whole argument was bad np-gain bad skill bad servant. I already explained why there's servants with far worst skills out there and how alot of servants have at least 1 relatively bad skill.

> without that 3rd skill Medusa have everything that he could offer at competent performance and lower cost, that 3rd skill NP charge is his only saving grace now.

ya cause his third skill and np are so much better then most servants, at least astolfo can actually generate stars on his own. Yes all servants aren't something like jack need teams at least astolfo isn't dead weight skillwise without one.

>As expected for someone who still bandwagoning bout Instinct being bad meme.

i said instinct cause that's the most well known considered bad skill,  i included rare trait skills and star generation into that. Except none of astolfo's skill are specialized by definition they're better then those.

But then again what can i expect from someone who flatout lies about a servant's stats just to try and win an argument.

You don't even have an argument, all you said was specific skills aren't bad, oh he has triple Q card and 8k atk and oh he's the worst SR rider in the game cause I said so.

First one i've already shown why it's stupid you literally think an identical skill that's limited by trait is better then one that isn't. 2nd argument is literally you lying about his ATk value by rounding down 900 his atk is only slightly below SR rider average.

Third one is entirely your opnion and the argument he's a jack of all trade he's bad isn't an argument, No one would use martha or anne over servants like medea Lily or CU cause those are flat upgrades.

>>As expected for someone who still bandwagoning bout Instinct being bad meme.

more like as expected from someone whose on the astolfo is bad bandwagon, what's next from you? enkidu is trash cause he has triple q and 10k (rounded down) atk.