Talk:Palingenesis/@comment-28209103-20160806022538/@comment-149.135.147.33-20160806045406

IMO almost all free 4* servants are worth ascending to lv90 based on the fact that they have NP5 alone. Santa Alter and Kintoki Rider might arguably be stronger than most current 5* Riders when they get Grail treatment. Shiki Assassin is good even before grail ascend. Halloween Elizabth is also a good AoE Caster, she might even be on par if not better than Da Vinci when ascended to 90.

I personally won't ascend Irisviel because I don't even use her all that much, it's a bit of a waste on Support servant imo