Talk:Arjuna/@comment-31760473-20170714014627/@comment-27971189-20170823141816

Posessing A rank stats doesn't mean someone easily top tier.

Gilgamesh.is prime example of that. No matter what his stats is, he can kick mostly everyone due to nature of Gate of Babylon. Karna, at his weakest, can instill fear of death on fully buffed Gawain.

Bedivere bio indeed said that his buff is no joke, but do not forget all that achievement come with players and Mashu (Galahad) help, not to mention Camelot itself is messed up: Tristan mind messed up through the buffs, Mordred get 'burned' each time she abuse the buff, Agravain charisma that support the whole mindframe is gone that Gawain start to doubt.

I'd say HS Mordred and HS Tristan are still stronger than HS Bedivere (Agateram). Bedivere managed to defeat them not simply justify him got great leap on term of power level; Arturia and Shirou defeat Gilgamesh in each of their route, yet it doesn't justify them to be stronger than what other estimated from them.

I'm not doubting Rounds are strong.

They are strong, based on legends alone they should be A-tier.

However the world is vast, they simply doesn't belong to Gilgamesh-Enkidu-Karna rank, or Sigurd-Siegfried-Achilles-Heracles rank, that basically tier for otherworldly heroes. If those guys are what defined A and B, then Rounds should be C as those guys are serious matters even when they're nerfed.