Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-28209103-20180214171145

lol, not the first time I saw someone who wrote a whole wall of text while still missing everything I said. seriously you should stop reading stuff sentence to sentence. I think you're the 4th person who did this to me,, what is this some kind of newer trend?

1st point, you're still ignorant, and now you're delusioned, on which point I said that those specialized skill are better/worse than Astolfo's 3rd skill? Go re-read the whole paragraphs. All I said is that specialized skill or even skill that seems useless at first glance are not bad IF you're not ignorant on how to use it. If I deliberate it further we need to take the context of the servant or even wider, the team setup to see how it works. and 2nd, that '''bad skill usually are those depends on RNGesus or have demerit like long cooldown that doesn't really fit the effect given that there's better alternative especially on the same class. '''I consider Astolfo last skill to be part of this before buff but no longer a bad skill given it's now is a guaranteed NP charge.

Do I need to spoonfed every paragraph main point to you like this? please no.

2nd point, what are you doing parroting what I say? I already freaking elaborate it on the very last and you still don't get it? Now Mary and Astolfo are different type, true but WHAT DOES ASTOLFO EVEN DO THAT ARE REMOTELY BETTER THAN THE OTHER SR RIDER? is the question I already asked at the end.. again read the whole paragraph and don't read it like some retard that can only make sense of 1 sentence at a time.

Not to mention YOU are the one who first brought up Mary as comparison knowing that they're different type, I only lulz exactly because you are the one who brought up entirely different Rider type to the plate. Mary are darn good at her job if you use her well, the key here is IF you use her well. Saying Mary is a dead weight without star around is pretty much saying that Astolfo is a dead weight on Buster crit team. Take fish out of water and wonder why they can't swim, that's your "circumstances".

And this is related to those Instinct and other flat star bonus skill, your Mary "circumstances" are the very reason why those type of skill exist and the you even able to think of "No star" situation suggest that you're still making light of those type of skill. If you're using Mary your goal is exactly to avoid those circumstances and even then she's not dead weight given that her other nuke is still there and her Np gain doesn't suck.

The differences between you and me is simple, you compare them at their lowest, I compare those SR Rider at their best. Sadly Astolfo best are nowhere close the top and only around Marie in practice. The holder of worst SR Rider title are bound to be those two but Marie are be able to Solo some CQ so yeah based on result alone Marie are above him.

Here's some help since you seems to prone to get mental pollution attack, I already highlight the question why you don't start by answering that simple question which is the very foundation of the argument, just elaborate some point on what Astolfo could done better than other SR Rider servant and we're done. It's the very root of my argument that at his peak he's nothing compared to what the other at their peak on their respective specialization because Astolfo have no specialization nor any + value.

and finally here's friendly one time example from me on how to read a f'cking paragraph like a non-retard, example taken from your so called "quoted ridiculous Argument" that are taken out of context and how to make sense of it like average person just like how you should've learnt it from grade school.

[The problem of Astolfo is not limited to skill and NP gain only, there's also the weak damage from the combination of triple Q deck and the low 8k stat.] -> This is main argument, here you describe the main point that you want to explain and what the subsequent supporting argument will emphasis. In case you lack the mental faculty to understand it, it means that the combination of all above is the reason why he's bad. also Astolfo atk stat are average, this part is my miss, I give you that, but the other still remain

[Bad skill doesn't auto-reflect to bad servant, otherwise Helena is a trash tier because all three of her skill is bad.] -> supporting argument, I thought this is pretty self explanatory but it means that trash skill alone won't make servant bad.. in case you can't make sense of it. In the context to main argument it means Astolfo won't be considered bad if only his skill is bad.

I mean it's hilarious how you keep insisting that I said that 3rd skill is bad when I never said so, or rather I definitely said that It's his only saving grace, Literally. Meaning it saved him from the 2 other shitty skill that are lesser ver of Medusa. 1st skill is so-so at best, and 2nd skill is worst stun in the game that have 8 turns cooldown for non-100% stun chance. and before you butt in bout 2nd skill try to think a little why I pick Helena as example in the first place.. hint : Helena 1st skill compared to other skill of similar effect.

[Low NP gain does not insta-translate to bad servant either because if so Scathach is a bad servant.] -> supporting argument, the star of the show and where your "pro" reading ability shine the most. again in case you can't make sense of it it simply means that Astolfo won't be considered a bad servant if it's only the problem of NP gain. In fact I highlight scathach in particular because she's holder of both relatively bad skill and bad NP gain just like Astolfo but still considered a good Lancer exactly because of her situational use skill, in other word specialization.

I think this is pretty clear point but in your ridiculous brain I guess this supporting point seems ridiculous for you. and honestly every choice of word I use are spesific and every example I pick are intentionally picked that highlight certain point and each of them are not tad far from Astolfo that they can be used as comparison. If I'm going to deliberate each and every point it'll end up as wall of text (and i'm pretty famous for that), that probably will confuse you even more, but I digress.

[Low damage doesn't necessarily means the servant is bad just like how Cu and Tristan is not bad by any means.] -> 3rd supporting argument,, you know the drill by now... I hope.

'''[Each of those servant listed have some kind of + value to be used.. even if it's situational + value is a + value just like how Euryale and Stheno is good vs male, Astolfo however doesn't have one.] '''-> concluding remark, which coincidentally answering exactly your question of "why there's servants with far worst skills out there and how alot of servants have at least 1 relatively bad skill but I still consider Astolfo to be the worst?." the answer is literally the whole f'cking paragraph I wrote at the beginning, wow who would have thought of that?

Oh no, it's because I wrote that "bad Np gain bad servant", but sorry to be rude but the only bad thing in here is how bad your reading skill is because I DID NOT WRITE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Learn to read from the very basic before you rant, 90% of your argument are just you failed to comprehent anything I wriote and the rest are just confusing rant based on your own delusion that literally had nothing to do with the topic nor have any meaningful point.

In all honesty I do consider myself to be extremely spesific and to the point when presenting my point.. maybe I'm too optimistic bout that.