Talk:Karna/@comment-2001:E68:5445:C23:9C1F:DB65:72DA:1A8F-20171212160418/@comment-100.8.53.203-20171214210115

SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T WATCHED APOCRYPHA

OP, you're not the only one. He's such a force of power in the anime and LN (vol 5 translation when?) that I was genuinely shocked when he bit the dust before Achilles and Atalanta. Sieg goes without saying, but I have a love-hate relationship with Astolfo; he either makes me laugh hard or irritates me to death. TBH so many characters are so one-dimensional in this anime that it kills me.

I haven't finished the entire novel series due to translation probs, but the anime seriously cut out some important/amusing parts. Cutting out Atalanta's mindset before shooting Jack makes her look like the biggest hypocrite in the Fateverse and Achilles' sassy horse was something I was disappointed that I didn't see. And did the anime even mention Blasted Tree's secret ability? Vol 5 of the LN hasn't come out yet, but I have a feeling it'll play an important role in the future....

Chiron seemed a bit uninteresting, but he was just such a likable and badass character that I felt much more sad about his death than the combined deaths of the Red Servants. Not to mention, his death was executed far better than "OMG ACHILLES IMPALED ATALANTA - OH, NOW THESE RANDOM ARROWS RAINING FROM THE SKY JUST BACKSTAB HIM!" To think Chiron-sensei died just because his uppercut missed....

We need a legit Apocrypha collab and not just some event CE. Semiramis, Achilles, Chiron, and Avicebron would finally become playable Servants and the gacha would alternate between rateups ofthe Red and Black Servants. We need an alternate universe-type storyline where SIEG DOESN'T EXIST where the story goes like it's actually supposed to. I feel like we'd need it told from the Black Faction's POV since the Red team is so OP that crushing the Black Faction wouldn't be much of a challenge. Shirou could be revealed as a Ruler early on and Jeanne would eventually side with the Black Faction and we'd have to fight our way through Dragon Tooth Soldiers and the Red Servants - Spartacus, then Achilles and Atalanta, then Karna, then a Fatal Battle in Semiramis' Throne Room featuring Semiramis, Shakespeare, and Shirou at the same time. And then Chiron would be the only survivor and then he'd be revealed as the free Servant and join our Chaldeas... sigh... this'll never happen, but oh well.