Talk:Arjuna/@comment-31760473-20170714014627/@comment-39.47.48.212-20170825090916

Also, Mr. Siegfried hater, you forget that Artoria(all versions) have drsgon's blood, which gives Siegfried a massive edge, and also Balmung(the NP) is automatically better against enemies with dragon's blood too. He's a dragon-slayer first and foremost, and all Artoria's are dragons. He doesn't need to tank Rhon, he just needs to put Balmung against it. If he fires it off from close enough(not make the mistake Sieg the homunculus made in Apocrypha), Balmung may well win.

Also, in servant rankings or tiers we aren't gonna consider any alternative versions or joke characters. Otherwise this becomes a mess. But hating Siegfried with such a passion(which I find completely inexplicable. There is literally no aspect of him that is hate-worthy), you'll probably ignore everything I say anyway.

The truth is that you simply can't swallow the existence of a Saber at the same level, or maybe a higher level, than waifuToria