Talk:Kara no Kyoukai Collaboration Event/@comment-27247829-20160223185203/@comment-27818636-20160223193610

Nobunaga was kind of difficult, because it was the first time they introduced the point system reward and it was really daunting. Plus it was the event in which DW did the worst decision (which would carry from then on) - the removal of the down-conversion system and the necessity to roll the gacha (whose rate-up is a GODDAMN LIE) to get those CEs that increases drop rates. If you wanted to get the most of the items in the shop, in which if you are a new player at the time or F2P is near impossible, unless you had saved your apples during Halloween, in which people like me, tried to get the CE to drop and ended up wasting their apples AND quartz for NOTHING.

So not only was Nobu difficult, but the farming itself was pure hell. Otherwise, if you only wanted the "free" CE, Nobu and her ascension materials (which is not likely in most cases), then you only had to play the 10 and 20 AP quest a few times in like the first few days (burning at least 1-2 apples a day), the daily 1 AP quest and finally the 40 AP quest like 6-10 times a day and by the end of the event, you would already have gotten 5 copies of Nobunaga and all her ascension materials.

I should also add that DW did a pretty dick move by not announcing that there will be new 40 AP quests every 2-3 days as events progressed (which also increased the drop rates of the Spider pots), so even big spenders of the game, WASTED a shit ton of money and TIME to get up to 1.5 million Honno-ji points in the FIRST 24 HOURS. In essence, it was not only F2P who got screwed over, but also the whales.

Santa Alter's event was manageable and F2P friendly. It may have required you to roll the gacha to increase the drop rates, but if you are only aiming for Santa Alter and her ascension pieces, you were pretty much done with the event in a week, give or take. The items in the shop weren't as many, but if you ditch the pieces and aim for the other items, it was actually pretty easy. In my case though, I needed pieces at the time, so I actually cut it quite close before the quests closed at the last minute to get enough stars (and to get that first and final CE drop).

Of course, like all events since the Nero Festival, the CE drop rates for both these events are still abyssmal.