Talk:Katsushika Hokusai (Saber)/@comment-37946388-20190818012911/@comment-34208015-20190820113125

In the end you still miss the point LazyCat, if you start to remove Skadi you obviously put Quick at disadvantage even if you remove Merlin on the other side because she's their only good support atm whileBuster still have many other good supports available. You either compare servants to each other with their optimal supports or without no support all. Picking up only the ones you want is bs, you are biasing the match.

Appmedia has always tried to reflect the meta with their tier list, hence ofc right now Skadi weight a lot and sure Quick memers does exist. But so does Buster memers as well. Before Skadi introduction I couldn't even count the number of Buster servant that got inflated for the simple fact being buster and capable of enjoying support while Quick servants couldn't. In that regards Appmedia has always remain coherent with itself.

I also think it's time to stop the thread there as any more post would be just the repetition of the previous ones. But just remember that Tier lists are tools not absolute law. Appmedia tier list was made with the meta in mind, it does reflect the meta quite well. If you want to make a tier list on differents bases (like how well a servant perform on his own) then feel free to do so, and it will probably just as valid as long as you state what you had in mind when making the tier list.