Talk:Artoria Pendragon (Lily)/@comment-2A02:120B:C3E3:1DF0:F1C3:6A32:967C:861B-20180318053934/@comment-32722691-20180405154652

Sorry for the late reply and for the upcoming wall of texts too.

Now let's see: You only apply charisma buff to only one servant when that skill is meant for overall DPS. All you assume is :"both of those servant are not good in anything other than farming quests so the better NP damage = better". The fact is they don't. When you compare two servant you're gonna need to look at all of the instance, not just straight up scrap them just because there are better option because if you're going by that logic then why bother comparing them?

What's more funny is that these two are actually not great for farming mats either. Those who can be considered "good" are the one with NP charge skill so you can end a farm quest as soon as possible. Not to mention you're gonna actually use an expensive 3 stars to farm while a simple Fergus who is much cheaper to raise are gonna do just as good.

Everything you've said was just likely  to lead the convo back to the NP department when the game has many more than that.

"Frags are more about critting to aid NP gain than expecting either of them to do big damage with heavy normal hits". No, they won't be the one who will crit and Fragment are not for NP cycles team only. Maybe my words were misleading when I said puting Framgent on them without specific team comp but really, why would you again try to lead a crit damage situation to a NP damage comparison? The one who actually crit won't be those who carry Fragment CE but those who can actually make the best out of those stars. Most of the Art critter usually has innocent monster-alike skills or has 3 turn stars absorbtion, those won't need something like instict. The team where instinct is really shines are those where you focus on Brave chain/buster card crit (Lancer alter, Attila and the like). For those guys every atk up is gonna play a significant role much more than a party NP gen. Some thing like Caecar/Attila(Friend's)/Vanilla Arthur works wonderfully with 34% atk up on team (2 charisma), 64% on Attila, 40% crit damage up (Incitement) and 30 instant crit stars on demand for your attila to crit whenever you want. And that's just one easy example where you can easy to pull off if you have played long enough, no need for the hardcore bond CE way. There are plenty of Attila with max skill and even grailed to 100 to be borrowed and both Caesar and Art use the old materials to skill up hence the long part.

The only niche Lily has is the now 700% NP multiplier which is of the highest in AOE buster. She used to suffer from the same fate as her OG in which both of them are totally average with almost none specific niche. The new stregthen quest only make her worth all those exp and mats to raise but that won't make her better than Vanilla one, who can provides up to 33% atk up to the whole party just by showing up. What Vanilla can provide for the team is simply higher than Lily.

Oh, and the reasons for that better than saber alter one are because of the multiplier, getting a NP 3 Saber Alter is much harder than NP 5 Lily. But when she reachs lvl 3 (where she got her fame from) then Saber Alter is still better. All in all Lily still stay at the same place in the Freebie servants ranking. I just hope DW will apply the same Avalon buff (if there is one) to both of the Artoria so she can actually be compaired to other freebie servants.