Talk:Rama/@comment-180.253.25.81-20160330172755/@comment-1458758-20160330215602

"Right. What I just said doesn't prove anything. Though, Lancelot didn't defeat Gilgamesh in any way. He destroyed Vimana, but Gilgamesh wasn't injured not was there anything preventing him from fighting."

.... Except he did. He beat Gilgamesh in an aerial duel, destroying Gil's ship, Vimana, and it is actually implied that he didn't want to immediately fight Iskander afterward because he had been injured in the fight with Lancelot. Again, there is a difference between defeat and death.

Proof of which can be found in the notes for Fate/Prototype. Wherein NPs were more conceptual in nature. Gilgamesh and Heracles were to fight and Heracles was to win but die while Gilgamesh lost but survived. I really don't want to flog a dead horse about this, but just because somebody didn't die in a fight, doesn't mean they won, and just because the winner later dies, doesn't make the loser the victor by soe sort of post dating system.