Thread:WitchofMiracles/@comment-34304150-20191130062224/@comment-35402059-20191201234556

Shirou is more of a joke character than Astolfo. Astolfo has personality beyond "trap". Apoc makes it clear for all of goofiness, Astolfo was geniunely helpful ally. Shirou was just "let see how many deus ex machinas we give him so his hapless ass can survive". The flow of FSN were pure shit tbh. Also, Shinji was a character who should have been expanded upon.

Also, Gil being arrogant as a handicap is shitty writing tbh. Gil didn't need to be overpowered like that. Shirou was a shit master(and calling that "thing" a master is stretching it) and Artoria was weak enough that even Regend gave her a well-deserved L. Gil being able to counter goddamn everything but getting his saint graph tainted(Btw,thanks Archer Herc) is overkill. Even Achilles and Karna had to slow down when not in a dire situation because their output was too much for most masters to consistently handle. Gil pretty much have no handicaps(And even with Independent Action, he still should be burning more than he does from Gate of Bullshit alone) and kills a lot of the stories he is includled in outside of Babylonia(Btw, fuck CasGil. He didn't change that much nor does it appear that he regret his pass bullshit. Come back to me again when he apologizes for the village brides he raped.). Shirou vs Gil is bullshit fight(but slighty less so than Ginger vs Servant Ginger) cause it was Goku vs Beerus before that fight was a thing. If it wasn't Shirou getting lucky, Gil would have played around like the dirty shithead he is while Ginger Mcgee would progressively become more tired(Tho, Ginger Mcgee SHOULD have died before the route split,but Nasu is a shit writer outside of Extra). Honestly FSN chars shouldn't be appearing in other works cause they already had their chance, but Gil is the one big example.