Thread:Valeth/@comment-118.70.177.74-20170801015239/@comment-28209103-20170804014322

Who's wanking one up I wonder? Shalya is Pandava maternal uncle sent by Yudhisthira to Kurava side, during the battle he keep making bad call that ultimately incite Karna anger and ultimately cost him the Naga Astra.

Kunthi asking Karna to handicap himself with only ome astra per battle should be universal in all version and such that gesture are the realization of his oath.. this is why I said you're cherry picking, if you want to quote you had to provide the context and background. "Now I will eat my beloved babies'" will sounds like the "I" is a cannibal if you don't supplement the context that "babies" are metaphore to fruit from the tree "I" cultivate.

This is also why I said I won't bother to look for sources seriously past your initial question, I know fully well that both party could just quote whatever to prove their point thus I desist on taking that route, it's as dumb as doctrine discussion within religion. It is against my principle to not explain stuff throughoutly however Mahabarat are something exceedingly intricate that I doubt 10 pages esssay are even enough to highlight the rivalries of those 2 on top of this discussion missed the original spirit of Mahabharat thus it's pointless meritless discussion unless there's clear cut explanation from the author which is questionable if it even exist due to it's nature as oral tradition. Which is why initially I don't really want to take it seriously and I still do.

Thus is why I appealed to the common point, that for the sake of final battle Khrisna, Indra and Kunthi are moved to nerf him. I remember that after the war someone listed to Yudhistira all of the handicap Karna carries, including the afrontmemtioned Shalya as one of the culprit.. again I don't have the time to look for the source, you're free to look for it yourself on KMG version. In the first place I am not expert on the subject, at best I'm just at hobbyist level, I lack the proper knowledge to intepret the story and at best can only recite from vague memory, only the big plot is clear in my mind thus finding spesific script amomg hundred is na'da for me

The fact that severely handicapped Karna still put a good fight against heavily buffed Arjuna is the reason I found him as the superior. At least I believe this part is a common point as such that's enough for me, since both are equally powerful in that battle then the one who fight handicapped should be stronger, it's called logic not wanking.