Talk:Alexander/@comment-28485878-20160517220123/@comment-68.117.166.167-20170206093607

Seeing the usual "Gilgamesh vs everyone" fight here.

1. Enkidu chains are only op against divines, against anyone without divinity they are just normal chains. (shirou might have trouble against it since he's still fully human, but Archer version should be able to simply cut it.)

https://exhentai.org/g/574264/c8b5e90891/

It worked against Cu Chulainn too for obvious reasons(he has a bit of Divinity too).

So even if Gilgamesh is serious, Enkidu isn't the answer to non-divine opponents.

2. On Fate Route Arturia is weaker due to Shirou being a shitty master, and she outmatched Gil in close combat anyway except for the problem that his armour required more magical power(that she didn't have, again due to Shirou being shit) to penetrate(remember how her attack power came from releasing mana on each strike). Last time I read it(many many years ago) it was pretty clear that her close quarters combat skill outmatched his, with the only problem being the armour he wore.

3. The reason UBW had Shirou won wasn't simply because Gilgamesh wasn't being serious; he was(triggered by Fake-Faker) pretty serious. The reason he didn't use Ea was because he knew that a lot of blades are going to stab through him if he took the time to pull it out and charge/use it; iirc that was what gave Shirou the opening to strike him down when he later got mad enough to attempt it anyway. Combined with the fact that Enkidu doesn't work magically against non-divine opponents, Gilgamesh doesn't have the tool to create such opening to use Ea safely. Shirou's overall fighting ability wouldn't be able to match pretty much any other servant(except maybe HA Avenger) but his specific traits allowed him to counter Gilgamesh pretty well.

So is Gilgamesh OP? Yes, but only against any divine beings due to Enkidu/50 shades of gold.

At other times, only skill/stats matter. I bet Emiya Archer would be able to beat him in a straight up sword fight without NP...etc.