Talk:Sigurd/@comment-36660379-20180821021959/@comment-27971189-20181111114027

Not really.

As Necor said, its matter of showing skill, Sigurd himself can empowered his performance with magic on top of having superhuman skill. So using Kuzuki as example is not truly miss.

I didn't like how you reduced Kojiro to "he's just a wraith" to justify Artoria is strong because achieving pseudo True Magic by own effort is no joke and testament to his skill.

Kuzuki also not case of overestimating, don't twist it into your own headcanon. What happened is Kuzuki caught them off-guard that he turned out capable of fighting.

The aftermath is they did not want to underestimate them again, still not proving Artoria is that skilled as Kuzuki still fall to "dangerous person" list instead of "Next time we met, I can defeat him", 'not working second time' doesn't mean he can't kill her next time they met as Caster side themselves consider that first meeting as introduction, which means they not taking it seriously yet.

Also, regarding skill, lore-wise, Gawain and Lancelot are far more skilled than her. Those feat you said she achieved with help of her knights. The oh-so-cool Vortigern battle is with help of her knights. Miraculous victory yes, but none of them are her own, personal achievement. Meanwhile on other side of the world, Arthur is solo-ing gigantic beast.

You can't compare Vortigern battle to Sigurd who solo Fafnir when still human with little to no blessing, or to Gil who travels around the world on top of soloing any disaster Gods thrown to humanity until Enkidu come and accompany him.

Thus saying Artoria is top tier without Avalon is stretching too much.

The moment Lancer Diarmuid who have less gimmick than FSN Servants have no issue taking a score from her, her top tier / skilled status is pretty much fall to average swordwoman with holy sword.