Talk:Kiyohime/@comment-31760473-20170508023118/@comment-28048698-20170509043206

@Valeth: Sorry, didn't saw your comment before. :( It was when I was writing mine.

You are misunderstanding me. Or, to be more precise, you are confusing two different things.

The rage can ACTIVATE the Noble Phantasm, and you can interprete that as a conection between the rage and the problem phantasm. If she caught you cheating her she will feel anger, and her anger will transform her into a dragon.

However, another different thing is to say that rage can FEED the Noble Phantasm. Nowhere in her bio or her Noble Phantasm say the more rage she feel, the more powerful is her Noble Phantasm. That is just an interpretation. If you think I'm wrong, please go ahead and quote me a source, a fact, somewhere where we can see how to more enraged she is, the more powerful is her Noble Phantasm.

And yeah, I saw her bio before, I know who she is and how she is. That's why I'm pretty confident saying there isn't any relation between the power of her Tenshin Kasyou Zanmai and her rage, and that's why I needed to look once again her Noble Phantasm after you said that.

By the way: "Then Saber should possessing EX-rank stats somewhere because dragon". This is a misunderstanding too. But it's our fault, because it's true that saying "everything related to dragons should be EX" means that every single skill/NP that have some relation with a dragon, even if little, must be EX.

You can't compare Artoria dragon's core or Siegfried dragon's armor with Golden Fleece or Tenshin Kasyou Zanmai. It doesn't have any sense. Artoria only have a little part of a dragon, the core. Siegfried only have a little part of the dragon, the blood over his skin. That's why both of them are not EX rank. Golden Fleece summon THE WHOLE DRAGON, that dragon have the core as Artoria, the same blood as Fafnir (well... a weaker one, but have dragon blood). Tenshin Kasyou Zanmai transform Kiyohime in a dragon, a complete dragon, with dragon core, dragon blood, dragon breath, dragon everything.

And, once again, dragons are amongst the most powerful creatures in the Nasuverse. Let me quote you a brief fragment of the dragon's article: "Dragon Kind (竜種, Ryū Shu) are considered the pinnacle of the Phantasmal Species. They are members of the Transcendent Kind, and are extensions of the world that were created in a form that is independent from nature with intelligence. They have members in all three classes of Magical Beasts, and they are considered to be the greatest species within each corresponding class".

So yeah. It makes sense. If the blood of a dragon creates an armor B+, a whole dragon easily can be EX.