Talk:Arjuna/@comment-31760473-20170714014627/@comment-27971189-20170823181945

If Gil doesn't have Clairvoyance, then why he is among Grand Caster candidate? Parameters still matters for Archer as some enemies can just brush off their projectiles.

Putting Siegfried on same tier with Arturia is underestimating Siegfried. Arturia lack of strong value aside of Excalibur and Avalon, in overall skill she's outclassed by Gawain and Lancelot, Siegfried himself is human who managed solo-ing evil dragon without any divine protection involved to the point human Siegfried is much stronger than HS Siegfried.

Its clear that the gap is not A to A- but A to B if Siegfried is what defined A.

Regarding Bedivere, I simply stated that the circumstances allow him to do that, not reducing all his effort.

Just like Shirou who defeat Gilgamesh, thanks to Gilgamesh personality, circumstances on Camelot allow us to win. Especially with them putting emphasis on how morale on Camelot pretty much crumbled, you can see Gawain started having doubt about what he did, unlike the first time where he can kicked us from gate with smile.

Shirou pretty much died if Gilgamesh serious from the very start. I believe its the same with Bedivere and Camelot, without all the attack that demoralizing them, Bedivere won't make it. And it doesn't put Bedivere on bad position as, just like what you said, he himself burned by Agateram so he can made it that far is indeed an achievement.