Talk:Sigurd/@comment-36660379-20180821021959/@comment-27971189-20181106120421

Its true that Saber is still one of the top .... if she has Avalon.

If she didn't, EMIYA or weaker classes, like Assassin, Caster will have no issue defeating her even under assumption their master is equal. Lancelot, Cu, Kojiro and Diarmuid already show that she has shortcoming when it comes to skill;

Sigurd and Siegfried won't find any difficulties defeating her unless Avalon come to play.