Talk:Achilles/@comment-35474817-20180502213314/@comment-35332252-20180503152827

On the whole theme Ivan is better than Achilles I completely agree with Valeth,  to be honest, I already knew  even before they released Achilles that he will be a quick servant, his performance in apocrypha practicly screamed "QUICK". People  keep saying that quick is dead and  yes, its still behind buster and arts but  in my opinion quick did some recent comebacks, for me the first comeback was Osakabehime and along with her Wu Zetian with  a quick charisma though she  does not have a super good stargen she is more focused on debuffing enemies and then using her NP,

another comeback probably was Atalante alter, she is a no-nonsence character, she has a pretty good NP damage and gain in AQQEX she can get 36%NP  it also inflicts NP seal, has an absord crit stars skill as well, and with those crits she can hit very well, for me she has only 2 weaknesses, 1st her crossing  arcadia, is only for 1 turn so she cant keep up the high damage atleast until her skills recharge and she is a berserker,  so she suffers from her class fragility

And I did not give Achilles enough credit,  honestly I thought he will be bad because I thought they will give him his active skills that were in apocrypha : battle continuation, bravely and i belive protection from the goddesss was the 3rd skill. Instead  as skills they gave him his noble phantasms which really saved him, because as was already said they fully support all of his specialities.

Ara,ara I only wanted to express my opition and that i agree that Achilles is in my opinion better than Ivan, instead I write about quick meta xD. Jeez, might as well end it with this: He is a quick character and quick meta is, even with all the servants I just named stil behind or "dead" if you will. To be honest  the only way for quick to atleast little bit close the gap between  others is a good quick support caster, thats why I hope that the new caster Scathach is just that. Quick support, I do not ask for  er to be new Merlin or Tamamo  with how far quick is, it probably is too much to expect from one character,   I only want her to by atleast some kind of a start.