Talk:Orion/@comment-36517927-20180927052855/@comment-27971189-20181112161513

Cat just arguing that, logically, on team you proposed, it would favoring fast access to both skills and NP. That is something Euryale excels far better than Orion, as Orion would like to have jump via crits.

Even on team consisting of Tamamo, and Waver/Jeanne/even whoever you need to stall, Euryale kit still stand better. Feel free say that Grail is precious resource, however I can argue its a worth investment as the benefit outweight the cost.

The problem with Grail on said matters is that you would like those getting Grail are worth the investment because its a rare resource. Here you can't even deny Euryale is worth the investment. No need to go far, now, on their current state which part of Orion worth of grail again? All that gung-ho still not moving from benefit of having 5* stats.

On EMIYA Alter part, sorry but 6k extra damage ignoring defense buff with chance of NP Drain is much better as it comes under hand of someone with abusable attack and defense buff. If he has kit as replacable as Orion, yes, it is bad. Under his kit? Nope.