Talk:Lancelot/@comment-95.13.44.78-20171226170939/@comment-34028639-20171228231012

I love Lancelot and if he was one of the guaranteed SRs in the tutorial summon, I definitely would have rerolled for him over EMIYA or Herc. I feel like they should have changed Eternal Arms Mastery to a different effect, but it's completely different from Protection of the Arrows.

According to official Type-Moon material, Protection of the Arrows is simply described as "an ability to deal with projectiles" while Eternal Arms Mastery is described as "mastership of combat arts allowing him to fight at full power even when insane" (or something to that effect). It also says that the only reason Lancelot was able to stand up to Gilgamesh in Zero was because of his high parameters from Mad Enhancement, meaning that Saber Lancelot wouldn't have done so hot. Lancelot's high Agility parameter is half the reason he's good against Gil. If you read the Kaleid Drei manga (finally not about disgsusting loli fanservice!), Kuro notes that what Lancelot does should be impossible, but Lancelot's crazy speed and combat ability make it possible.

That said, Lancelot needs a serious rework considering how feared he was in Zero (everything just turned dark and edgy whenever he showed up and when he did, it was like an unannounced sign that things were going to go down).

I'd say make Eternal Arms Mastery a Passive (can't turn off combat mastery!) that strengthens ATK and DEF (cuz if you're a master of combat, it's easier to hurt and harder to get hurt) and have a third skill called Arondight/Light of the Lake that charges NP (since Arondight is his true NP), increases his DEF (since it's described as a sword that can receive any attack without taking damage), but inflicts skill seal (since activating Arondight seals off For Someone's Glory and Knight of Honor).

Let's be real here: afaik Lancelot is portrayed as the best knight of the Round Table, even irl. He was able to stand up to the most powerful Servant in all of Fate. And this hot mess is how DW portrays all of this - with a skill that still loses to Riders and Archers and a skill negated by low hitcounts and lack of Quick Cards. Well played, DW. Well played.

LANCELOT DESERVED BETTER! I'M JUST SAYING!