Talk:Karna/@comment-28136716-20171222092729/@comment-33579485-20171223154226

"Nope. Ea is stronger than Excalibur. Where did you hear its output equal to Excalibur, again? "

Every wikia on the topic. If it is stronger than it's not by much. I should have said roughly equal. Ea is an anti world NP because it has the ability to affect the entire world with it's affect. But it's actual combat ability doesn't far exceed Excalibur.

I don't buy the "he wasn't serious" argument either because you could argue it about everything about him. If he's so prideful that he wouldn't get serious for Altria who won the previous grail war, then when is he ever gonna get serious? "Serious gil" is a myth at this point.

So gil didn't consider shirou threat even when he counters GOB for presumably a considerable amount of time, which not even servants have been able to do up to this point. Again a case where prideful gil never gets serious because writers needed him to lose. Serious gil is a myth.

So how the hell does shirou beat him in hand to hand just by getting close? You can't explain that away with simple "underestimation" imo. Shirou was nowhere close to altria close range combat ability either.

"If you want to see what he capable of, gave him opponents on his level, like Karna or Enkidu."

See, we HAVE seen him against enkidu in strange/fage and guess what, the entire battle was his same old gimmick. GOB NP spam.