Talk:Ryougi Shiki (Saber)/@comment-112.215.244.240-20180214175946/@comment-34208015-20180218085413

Well, after it's just what are stats: mere theorical values. If you start to taking in consideration passives or any automatically applicated multiplier you'll create aberrant cases. For instance with Shiki you'll have to break attack into 4 categories (Quick, Arts, Buster, Extra) and then you can say: Shiki has the lowest Quick and Extra Attack stats but not the lowest Art and Buster attacks.Now imagine the case where Shiki had a Buster NP instead of her Art NP can we still say that Shiki Buster attack is superior to let say Artoria Buster? Since Artoria NP as 400% automatic multiplier on her NP and Shiki 300% (because Buster no interlude) we can no longer say that, and we'll have to break the all typed attacks into typed NP attack and no NP typed attack. It's a twisted reasoning, but you see that if we start to take into consideration bonuses, we'll literally open the Pandora's box. That's why stats are (should stay) just raw static numbers unaffected by any factor.

FGOHikaru, I understand what you means but all these examples aren't related to stats. just like for attack and HP, NP gen and Star gen stats are the small part of the reality of a servant. Raw stats should not be used to extrapol any value judgment.

VeloxOblivio, I get what you mean since Connection to Root affect all type of cards expect Extra (it's still part of the deck even if it's as handy as the other command cards) it's tempting to put the effect directly on stats but it's a mistake in fact.