Talk:Ryougi Shiki (Saber)/@comment-112.215.244.240-20180214175946/@comment-34208015-20180219075151

First of all I have never said thing like Shiki has bad stats or any other type of value judgement except on her NP that is indeniably weaker than other SSR Saber NP. So I don't why it has been bring on the table while I was just commenting on her Atk stat.

Moving on, the only here is just about the definition of stats. I'm not saying that while reviewing Shiki you shouldn't consider Connection to Root, but that it's not part of Shiki's stats. What are stats for you? In my case: stats are all (and only) raw base number unaffected by any other factor written on the servant profile. If I can consider a passive skill as a stat by itself, I refuse to apply his effect on another stat and then evaluate this second stats: it's just wrong because it doesn't fit into the definition (and a definition shouldn't suffer any exception otherwise it's not a definition). For instance: I can consider Riding skill and Connection to Root as part of the servant stats but I can't apply their bonuses on Atk stats and then compare the Atk stat. In first place these skills are not flat bonuses/maluses (yes even Connection to Root isn't flat, Extra card is still part of the servant gameplay and the end damage on Extra is not negligeable) and you also have to distinct attack for NP and attack for non-NP: it's a non-sense for me.

Now if we doesn't share the same definition of stats this discussion will go nowhere.