Talk:Jack the Ripper/@comment-183.171.86.138-20171123044122/@comment-28209103-20171126074547

1. Very insignificant? have you ever used him? he could easily fill his NP in one rotation or at worst 2 card draw. His arts card are so damn good he could fill his NP to 100% if you crit it on Arts chain Arts chain, even if not It's so damn good I could positively spam his NP if I want to. star gen tho it's pretty average but even buster chain gave you 12 stars flat and he's capable of reaching 25 stars.

tl;dr : what are you talking about? his NP gain is the least problematic aspect of his.

2. Pretty much like that, but KH are capable of bruteforcing through any class and there's no merit going with no class advantage. from what happened in EoR or to be spesific starting from Camelot even average mob are capable of killing level 90 servant without class advantage and they have average over 30k hp and jack can't even kill 25k mob without class advantage. other than the holy trinity most servant will only drag you down because they're slow to kill and prone to sudden death.

tl;dr Jack inclusion is questionable,, there's other star source if you need one like Lancelot, Chloe or

3. 2.5 k heal are barely useful nowadays, Last Santa Alter is a good example, she could legit kill an Assassin with 3 lethal crit, Shimosa boss are capable of trampling servant even those with class advantage vs them and I'm sure the trend will continue from now on. The trend of boss using Buff and Debuff are still strong, Jack are strong vs enemy with removable buff but KH cannot be debuffed which means a lot vs enemy with annoying debuff.

tl;dr : 2.5 k heal are nice tech skill but not exactly useful to survive.

In the end tho it'll ultimately fall to the enemy suitability.. if it's female with annoying buff = Jack, if it's something require bruteforce and toughness = King Hassan.. Jack are suitable for quick kill with NP but if you can't reach lethal quick KH are better.. I've seen someone solo Santa Alter with Jack so I tried it too but failed cuz the one I borrowed are not NP 5 = can't kill fast enough = game over.

all in all I still prefer combo assassin to hunt Rider.. but definitely won't use Assassin vs other enemy.. except for Stheno if I need the buff and charm..