Thread:Stray Bird/@comment-30314236-20170817160336/@comment-28048698-20180107194439

@Hitsuji: I think it isn't necessary for those side works to doesn't exist if they don't respect the lore. Inside the Fateverse it's possible for some exceptions to exist: Sasaki as an Assassin, Kuzuki fighting against Servants, etc. My problem with works like Strange Fake or Apocrypha is how they don't go against the Fateverse one, two or three times, but almost all the work go against the Fateverse.

Let's take Apocrypha. The concept is interesting: a war between two factions, instead of just seven magus. Great, good job. Now: why one of your Servants needs to be a novel character? Why, between all the mythological and historical characters you have in this world, you transform one f*cking novel character, someone who doesn't truly exist (and yes, this go with Edmond Dantes too, even when I love the Servant) into a Servant?

Why Amakusa is a Ruler when he obviously have a wish for himself? The whole "The Einzbern cheated the system" explanation is bullshit. The cheat itself worked to summon an uncommon class (Ruler), just like it summoned an Avenger class in another timeline. But that doesn't mean you will summon and uncommon class with someone who doesn't fit the class. In F/SN timeline, the Einzbern summoned Avenger, and they summoned a right Avenger. Damn, it was the most Avenger between all the Avengers.

And that is only taking two examples.

Now Strange Fake. Once again, the concept is great: someone try to copycat the Grail War in another place, but those who try it are just novices in that kind of things and everything go wrong. If everything go wrong in the war, it's normal to some things being... differents. Okay, true. But what the hell with that abnormal amount of Servants being summoned (the seven classes, plus seven "True" classes), why Thomas Edison being a Servant? He isn't a hero. The summoning system take souls from the Throne of Heroes. To be in the Throne of Heroes you must be a hero. As simple as that. Thomas Edison isn't a hero, so his soul isn't in the Throne, so he can't be a Servant.

Once again, only taking two examples.

Kaleid Illya and Capsule Servants are works that aren't supposed to be taking seriously, just like Carnival Phantasm. However, Extra have two important things on his favor:

1) The universe itself is completly different from the usual Fateverse. The Masters aren't magus. The whole world is just a cybernetic world, etc. It isn't like Strange Fake or Apocrypha that they take the same world, and just try to change a couple of things (Apocrypha = Two factions instead of seven Masters; Strange Fake = The whole war in another country).

2) Even when it's a different universe and all, they respect the important things of the original work. Lu Bu have Mad Enhancement, and he doesn't talk, he just scream (unlike F/GO's Berserkers), every Servant is a hero (except Hans, but that is CCC; for me, CCC is funny and all, but it isn't as enjoyable as the normal Extra), etc.