Talk:Artoria Pendragon (Ruler)/@comment-35457148-20190824161121/@comment-29893250-20190825225105

The argument of "bad outside her NP" is a silly argument. Even if a character has only one strength, if that strength is absurd, it can often make up for the shortcomings. Herc is "pretty subpar outside his bond CE" and Jack is "pretty bad outside her hit count on her quicks".

That being said, Jeanne was an early servant and there were many issues with skills back then. Hers were a bit on the poor side but being the only ruler and avenger being close to nonexistent, what did you expect? Her class more than made up for some rather meh skills at the time. In fact, stars per turn skills in general were barely present too at the time. She got outpaced later. Then they buffed her NP which made her infinitely more useful and the prime staller.

So no, she doesn't NEED a strengthen, already providing unique utility that is basically by itself an answer to a majority of higher difficulty content. She was functional when she came out and later got a massive strengthen that gives her a place where she's an optimal choice for stall teams even now with no contest in sight. Don't latch onto a servant's shortcomings and totally ignore what they can do. In fact, Bunnymyniad is probably the weakest 5* ruler for harder content, nor is she the spitting image of an uber amazing farmer. She's still decent but each other 5* ruler breaks normal gameplay in some method far greater than card shuffle on cd6. Jeanne has infistall. Amakusa ignores a bunch of challenge mechanics by AOE pre hit buff strip. Sherlock rips off defenses in the ignore fashion. SHD is a cheesing solo king. So don't act like vanilla Jeanne is on release Iskandar or something.