Talk:Illyasviel von Einzbern/@comment-109.91.36.192-20170516222430/@comment-28209103-20170519150335

OP said he's already tried so hard (in his standard) to make her good.

and saying you don't need to compare is absolutely preposterous,, why? to judge something are good or not you need a comparison, people without any references as comparison will easily mistook something relatively bad as good because of simple ignorances, they also prone to bias. the first step is to look for something that are valid as references then you can start compare them to know pros and cons of them and pick which one are better for you.

you can argue whole day bout what Illya good for but it totally doesn't help her case without presenting what she can't do that the other option (e.g Xuanzhang and Medea) can do because to be honest she's good only for burst damage and she's not terribly good at it. compared to Xuanzhang for example her Np gain and star gain are crap, her skill barely have any utility and mostly situational, and she lack the ability to spam Np. even the 300-400k assassin OTK slaying are questionable if you're not using NP 5 Illya overcharged to 500% or ultra buffed with Merlin and Nightingale cuz even Scathach at NP 1 with level 10 1st and 3rd skill usually only hit around 350k on Divine Archer enemy.. so I doubt even Nightingale and Merlin could buff her atk that much and her usual atk are weaker than Xuanzhang.

basically the moment you said "stop comparing" it's pretty much just a prelude of fanboying. Illya are bad team player,, and she's not particularly impressive spearhead.. she could work but ain't that impressive.. unlike Kiara or Shirou the other kinda dissapointing servant she doesn't even have any niche utility so she's pretty bad.. but hey if you like her then just use her, no one will judge