Thread:Valeth/@comment-118.70.177.74-20170801015239/@comment-118.70.177.74-20170802035325

holy shit, you got it the other way around lol Valeth, modern interpretation wanked Karna up, made him into a grey and somewhat heroic characters, which is seen in the tv series adaption and abridged versions of the Mahabharata everywhere in modern India now, while the BORI Critical Edition of Mahabharata, which is the most authentic and accurate version of the Mahabharata (really, search it up), is where it black and white, which it really is.

maybe you guys should stop speaking from your ignorant with such voice of authority if you never actually read the Mahabharata in length, I have read this http://www.amazon.in/Mahabharata-1-Bibek-Debroy/dp/0143425145 which is the translation of the BORI Critical Edition of Mahabharata I speak of above, lemme enlighten you.

First, Krishna never said what you mentioned above. Second, Karna did not donate Kavach and Kundal awau, he traded it with Indra for 2 boons: one for his skin to be beautiful again and another for Sakthi astra.

Third, in their final dual, you guys should read it here before speaking nonsense, don't worry, it only about 5 pages long.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08087.htm

near the end of it, Arjuna have already completely destroyed Karna armor (not Kavacha and Kundala, he traded that away), hit all of Karna vital's point and Karna was pretty much covered in blood, he was in so much pain that he dropped his bow and quiver, Arjuna could have killed him then, but doesn't attack because dharma (something akin to code of honor in battle), even when Krishna's (Arjuna's charioteer) protest, Arjuna still gave Karna time to recover.

after that, Karna chariot wheel sunk (and I have to elaborate on this, his curse kicked in here because of his destined hour of death have come, his hour of death did not come because the curse kicked in, it the other way around) Karna ask Arjuna to stop the fight, saying it's against dharma for Arjuna to attack him now, Arjuna stop, Krishna then call him out, list out every single time that Karna have violated dharma, end with telling Karna that he can't expect dharma to be accorded to him on his own convenience, he reap what he sows, Karna bowed his head in shame after that

the fight resumes. Karna is still on his chariot, but the wheels has sunk. Karna realizes that Arjuna is not going to spare him, so he lands the first attack on Arjuna (from his chariot). The fight continues between Arjuna and Karna, and Arjuna soon invokes his Anjalika Astra, and cuts down the standard of Karna’s chariot and then slays Karna. The Anjalika Astra throws Karna down from his chariot onto the the ground, dead.

also, as I said, Arjuna is the only undefeated warrior in the Mahabharata (defeated in Mahabharatha means being forced to retreat from a battle). he defeated all Kauravas and Bhisma, Drona and Karna alone in the Virata war,winning single handedly against the Gandharva and Draupad army when Karna had ran from both, even Drona and Bhishma could not force him to retreat, they were equal in battle but neither could be significantly better than the other as to get a kill. he was the only one to learn all five disciplines of dhanurveda from Shiva and by lore had all the celestial astras created. (even Parashuram only knew 3 disciplines of dhanurveda. drona, bhisma and karna too) Karna himself was defeated (as in either spared or forced to retreat) in Kurukshetra individually by Abhimanyu, Satyaki, and twice by Bhima, who spared him because of Arjuna's vow to kill him though Karna had indeed defeated Bhima too once and spared him because of his promise to Kunti. '''Karna was also defeated 3 times at the Virata war by Arjuna. Twice in 1v1 combat and once in a collective attack against Arjuna.'''