Thread:Valeth/@comment-118.70.177.74-20170801015239/@comment-4981064-20170803165329

Yes, and I conceded at Karna was indeed more powerful when he have his Shakti, what problem you have with me on it? it still an 1 use weapon he meant to use only against Arjuna, so as soon as he lost use it to kill Ghatotkacha, he was no longer considered to be powerful. and yes, they being both Maharathis mean that they for the most part, equal in skill, but that does not mean that small difference can't exist.

and yes, defeat mean being forced to retreat in Mahabharata when already formally engaged in battle, it's a recurring thing, you should know it if you're remotely familiar with the epic, how did you think Arjuna defeated Karna 5 times (8 in BORI) throughout Mahabharata? tell me if you really need me to cite them, K&K only prevent him from being killed, it does not prevent him from getting defeated like many times he did in the epic, it does not mean that Karna could defeat Arjuna either, high defense doesn't mean shit when he can't land anything decisive that would defeat Arjuna.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08087.htm tell me where in there that Karna fought an uphill battle, if anything, Arjuna had to fought an uphill battle at first because Karna didn't really wanna play fair either, he asked duryodhana to send warriors to attack Arjuna and Krishna so that Arjuna gets excessively tired and mangled by arrows before he reaches Karna. This would make it easier for Karna to kill Arjuna www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08079.htm

"Approaching then thy son, that foremost one among the Kurus, and saluted respectfully by him, Karna said unto that prince as also unto those two mighty-armed warriors, Kripa and the Bhoja chief Kritavarma, and the ruler of the Gandharvas with his son, and the preceptors and his own younger brothers, and all the foot-soldiers and horsemen and elephant-riders, these words, "Rush towards Acyuta and Arjuna and close up their path all around, and cause them to be tired with exertion, so that, ye lords of the earth, I may easily slay those two after ye all will have mangled them deeply." Saying, "So be it!" those foremost of heroes, desirous of slaying Arjuna, speedily proceeded against him. Those mighty car-warriors then, obeying the behest of Karna, began to strike Dhananjaya with innumerable arrows in that battle. Like the great ocean containing a vast quantity of water receiving all rivers with their tributaries Arjuna received all those warriors in battle."