Talk:"The Old Man of the Mountain"/@comment-119.94.59.73-20171212113624/@comment-28884330-20171220183349

Umm.... I never said he's weak, I in fact said he's very strong even without the Grand vessel. Heck, he has Saber-class level parameters, which means he has all the advantages of an Assassin-class Servant without the weakness that normally offset them. That's a broken Assassin if I've ever seen one.

I was just discussing the statement that he would be able to completely curbstomp anyone in the Fifth HGW, which is simply not true. He does have the capacity to kill all of them, perhaps even Berserker by bypassing God Hand through instant death, but unless summoned as Grand Assassin, they would each be difficult fights on their own, since the Servants of stay night are basically a conglomeration of broken Heroic Spirits.

On the Ozymandias thing, I'd take it with a grain of salt. He did decapitate him, but he has no way of actually defeating him within the Reality Marble, since Ozymandias is immortal so long as the temple is not completely destroyed. It wasn't a win so much as an impasse. I could also discuss the claim of "plot armor", but it's not really on topic and I'd rather not resume youtube discussions going back to more than a year...