Talk:Sigurd/@comment-36660379-20180821021959/@comment-27971189-20180909095749

So basically we're back to "Siegfried is bad because I hate him" segment. Objectively, Servant Siegfried will lose against Vasavi Shakti despite chance to survive that but True Siegfried might stand a chance of defeating Karna.

About Artoria, it can't be helped.

Even in FSN, she survived Tsubame Gaeshi by simply having higher parameter rather than skill to compete. On FZ, Diarmuid easily taking advantage by his speed being Lancer once he guess the sword length. So yeah, when it comes more skilled opponents, its not that hard to overwhelm her until Avalon comes to play.