Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-28209103-20180120152949

>Most servant have at least 1 bad skill

??? sorry you lost me. each skill served a purpose so in practice only few skill is considered bad.. mostly because of RNG factors such as MHX and McCumhail. but also from long cooldown too.

The problem of Astolfo is not limited to skill and NP gain only, there's also the weak damage from the combination of triple Q deck and the low 8k stat. Bad skill doesn't auto-reflect to bad servant, otherwise Helena is a trash tier because all three of her skill is bad. Low NP gain does not insta-translate to bad servant either because if so Scathach is a bad servant. Low damage doesn't necessarily means the servant is bad just like how Cu and Tristan is not bad by any means. Each of those servant listed have some kind of + value to be used.. even if it's situational + value is a + value just like how Euryale and Stheno is good vs male, Astolfo however doesn't have one.

What made Astolfo bad is all those combination of bad NP gain, bad skill, bad damage, low utility and the lack of proper team geared for quick.. even if I say he's "okay" he's still the worst among SR Rider and probably among the worst SR. He is however are not useless so it's just okay to use him compared to pre-buff where Medusa is 100% better choice than him..