Talk:12M Downloads Campaign/@comment-67.4.147.157-20180227042855/@comment-75.111.160.152-20180227170515

@FGOHikaru I haven't specified any specific teams. I only used Waver and Munenori in my previous post because you mentioned them.

Bringing up "weak to Defense Ignore" as a reason to advocate for NP Damage Down is silly when there's only two ways an enemy can normally bypass Defense and Invincible: Kiara's NP and Holme's NP. Certainly special mechanics can be added that allow for Defense Ignore, Invincible Pierce, or something else (e.g. Instant Kill a la Shiki (Saber)), but this is compensated by mechanics to prevent that from happening (e.g. hitting Shiki (Saber) with a Buster card every turn to prevent her NP).

Now maybe if NP Damage Down was a more common debuff, I wouldn't mind Melt Virus so much. As it stands, only 7 Servants can inflict this debuff, Jeanne, Brynhildr, Nightingale, Melt, Gilles (Caster), Ko-Gil, and Mozart.

The amount that Gilles (Caster) and Mozart can reduce it by is so trivial that you may as well not even bother using.

Ko-Gil's and Nightingale's NP Damage Down comes from their NP, which is a problem for Melt since Ko-Gil and Nightingale together already provide enough NP Damage Down from their NPs that they don't need a third source of NP Damage Down, especially not one that only serves to weaken Ko-Gil's NP. I suppose you could pair Melt with Nightingale, but that's only going to work for one round of NPs due to Melt's being tied to a skill.

Nightingale's you're using more for the Crit Damage Down than the NP Damage Down.

If you're already using Jeanne, you don't care about NP Damage Down because you're going to Invincible any NP damage taken anyway.