Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-173.206.31.107-20180214014409

> each skill served a purpose so in practice only few skill is considered bad

That's actually not true at all, firstoff instinct is considered universally a bad skill, which serves no purpose and is stuck on every artoria besides the heroinex/alter heroine and beowulf. Then we have really bad situational skills like gender specific charm skills/ mental debuffs/death debuffs or extremely specific bonus to traits. Unless they're a common trait like divine. Most of those are considered bad cause they're either unreliable or flatout useless in most situations.

> Low NP gain does not insta-translate to bad servant either because if so Scathach is a bad servant

No one said that besides you, Yes astolfo has bad Np-gain but that's a reasonable tradeoff given how powerful his NP is since it's got 2 effects on it. Its just you said he has below average NP-gain oh his skills are sub-par then pretend that makes him auto bad servant when His NP and third skill are easily two of the most powerful in the game.

> SR Rider and probably among the worst SR. He is however are not useless so it's just okay to use him compared to pre-buff where Medusa is 100% better choice than him

Definitely not the case he's way more self sufficient then servants like mary/anne whose kit is entirely useless without a dedicated star generator and he has so many more uses then some of the older riders like marie antoinette/saint martha whose only relevance is in specific niches that other SRs can easily do better.

And if you're talking about pre-buff i specifically said people were either bandwagoning or talking about him on release pre-buffs so idk why you'd be arguing then.

Post-buff he's definitely an upgrade to medusa in everyway and he's definitely not the worst SR rider let alone bottom grade SR by far.