Talk:Illyasviel von Einzbern/@comment-96.242.234.85-20170916162744/@comment-100.8.53.203-20171127051158

@FGOHikaru You're right about the time lag. I think Kuro appeared 2 days before Illya and Bazett arrived 1/2 a day before Kuro.

I think technically Beatrice died before Sakura. It seemed like all of the original competitors with legit Cards were dolls: Zachary used Saber, Angelica used Archer, Kayneth used Lancer, Kariya used Rider, Atrum used Caster, Shinji used Assassin, and Beatrice used Berserker. The manga also shows that Beatrice survived the fight with Shirou. If we take into account that Shirou had to obtain EMIYA's card to defeat Beatrice (with Sakura dying in the process), then Beatrice would have had to die before Sakura did.

But then we would have to count Angelica and Kayneth and all of the other dolls in the chronology of death. I get that Sakura's an exception since she was actually a relevant character, but I personally find reading death scenes in present tense rather than in flashbacks has a more profound effect on the reader, but I guess that varies with individuals (shrugs).

Also, sorry about before. I'm like half-asleep rn.