Talk:Katsushika Hokusai (Saber)/@comment-37946388-20190818012911/@comment-27971189-20190819183715

Sorry but that's just wrong. When making tierlist, you shouldn't consider every possible support because its easily make the tiering messed up; the one standing as the best should be the one capable to make difference by their own power, not by someone else power.

Appmedia is not reliable when it comes to this.

Lancelot dethrone Herc from Best 4* Berserker because Skadi. From that of course some people reacting as Herc deserved the title better given he aid many players even without Skadi.

Appmedia tried to compromise with "farming" rating, at the end its not really helping given fact that Summer Hime being A+ is really team dependant while among tier list there is D'Eon who got A despite no farming capabilities, let alone Yagyu (difficult to use) and Elizabeth (easy to use) on same rating despite among their scoring reasons there's "ease of use".

If you can justify Scathach rank up because of Skadi then Musashi should deserved A because managing 5k HP demerit is not that difficult in Arts team, and allowing her to reach NP is easier compare to Vlad and Nightingale; lower NP damage and reward can be considered trade-off to that as not all Berserker got luxury to NP spam, and this one capable to do it by herself while still packed with dodge and guts, something previously you can only find in Cu Alt. among SSR Berserker.