Thread:Stray Bird/@comment-28818979-20161217150031/@comment-28209103-20170703092648

He know that Gil is OP from beginning, that much is true true. But is there any master out there that are aware of their servant ability without being told or saw them firsthand? If Gilgamesh are famous as sword shooting king then it might be makes sense but there's chance that he appears as real archer with bow that shoot flood to enemy, or variation of that. As you can see all of the magus family took the hassle of securing really rare relic to summon famous and old heroes, because they believe that older mysteries means they're stronger, at least stronger compared to relatively recent heroes boosted by local fame.. aparently they're way too dumb to know that they're wrong, fame boost is OP! (?)

Zouken cares jack shit bout Kariya winning, his goal are never that and he clearly stated it himself that he didn't expect Kariya to survive Lancelot went berserk. Lancelot clearly are way beyond Kariya ability, he cannot move while using it, the magical consumption are so severe that he's incapacitated just by letting him fight for few minutes. It's clear that using NP o or not using Zerker by default is the most mana draining class, knowing that Zouken he might even deliberately made Kariya suffer even more for his amusement and to further Sakura training. Not to mention it is a canon that servant that used NP beyond their prana supply will simply dissapears, thus "lessening prana consumption" are never a thing for Kariya.

All I see is that back then the concept of fame boost are never intended to be that OP. in the first 3 original Fate or maybe on the original conception Fame boost at best will make them few times more powerful than normal but not really to the level of no-name heroes soloing a Gilgamesh class servant. Herc, Artoria and Cu might be so strong they're near invincible because they're already strong to begin with so it's understandable because if said that level A servant average power is 100 then 100 x 100% already give us 200 but I doubt recent heroes like Musashi or Yoshitsune can compete with already strong heroes for let say if their base power are considered 50 then at best they'll reach the level of A rank heroes by fame boost. Apocrypha simply made it OP for rule of cool and several other worf effect as plot device to elevate suspense, therefore the likes of Vlad who are probably a weaker heroic spirit than almost everyone in Apocrypha to be able to stand up to Karna and Atalanta which arguably are older, more famous and definitely stronger than Vlad, especially Karna who are at class of his own, being a heroic spirit equal to that of Gilgamesh.