Talk:Goetia/@comment-139.194.176.35-20180109154512/@comment-141.140.39.90-20180120032029

I mean, the thing about Zelretch is that if there is any series of events that would lead to him winning a battle, he can really just choose the universe that contains those series of events to be the "real" universe, probably down to choosing a universe where his opponent didn't exist in the first place. So like...even if his base power is probably lower there isn't really a way to beat a Zelretch who is taking a battle seriously.

At the very least we know that the Chaldeas timeline breaks off from the Stay Night timeline at around the time the Holy Grail War was first conceived, so like, if Zelretch came face to face with Goetia, he could probalby just say "oh crap, it's this shitty timeline" and just pop back over to a timeline where the human race wasn't at the verge of extinction.