Talk:Arjuna/@comment-31760473-20170714014627/@comment-28209103-20171222105907

lol missed that last anon mention by magtitude of months lol.

The answer is that the best shield can't do jack shit if you can't hit the enemy. She might be capable of taking all the hit from Gil perpertually but the only reason he won when facing Gil in fate route is that she took him by surprise and hit him in Melee.

Artoria only NP is way too big to be used vs single unit and the mana usage are so damn bad. He might become a walking fortress or virtually invincible with avalon but that only mean she can't lose and even that is questionable given that we don't know how Avalon works in detail. (e.g we don't know how long she can deploy avalon, can she move while using it? can she hit outside the barrier with it still deployed?)

In Karna case for example not only his martial arts is supreme normal attack can't hurt him. her only way to win is by using Excalibur but unlike Siegfried Excalibur took too long to deploy and can't be used repeatedly in succession. Anti-fortress means that it's used to hit immobile fortification, not nimble moving small target except if the target are running straight at her at full speed which is what happened to Zero rider and Stay night rider.