Talk:Fate/Accel Zero Order -LAP 2-/@comment-36119294-20180912180552/@comment-29893250-20180912235155

Is he fine? Sure. So are many things. Is he the top of the line? Nope. Is he the bottom of the barrel? Not half as much as he was pre-NP gain fix. Still, I'd say he's definitely the least useful 5* rider, a lot of which boils down to the fact that most of the other 5* aoe riders have NP charging skills and Ivan is just more useful. And then there's the fact that if your goal is to smash in with an NP (which is primarily what he's good for), welfare summer Ishtar is going to outgun him and actually be able to fire off with more consistency. So there's better options. His skills are simply... subpar. Not even outdated because they weren't even really at or above the curve when he came out except for his third skill which is a moderately upgraded prana burst.