Talk:Atalanta/@comment-82.12.59.92-20170628183121/@comment-28209103-20170630041610

that's why I said it's not D&D western value but the hero circumstances also matters in Nasuverse. Mainly Atalanta had little to no respect against other human, she will easily eliminate every single human in existence if it served her purpose, and most probably she prefer to do it the brutish way. She's parallel to Tamamo who might seems friendly at face value but actually have 0 morals on her, she's indifferent bout killing people due to her nature as Godsies but she prefer not to due to her own motivation and background.

Gil meanwhile can be jackass but everything he does is pretty much for the good of humanity in his point of view. Just another case of Goetia. The differences between D&D player and Gil is that the D&D player are part of the society as such must follow the moral code of society. Gil are above the human as such his value and law is the one he set himself. The fact that such law ensures the continuity of mankind in face of the Gods pretty much made him the good guy even if it means slaving those human. On 5th Grail war his intention are mainly noble, that is to wipe most humanity out so that only the strongest survived and such are fit for his rule and will become his subject, put it other way he want to keep them at minimum level so they are not extinct and let only the strongest human build the next humanity. Other part is his view on excessivenss that drive down the worth of everything which is a criticism of our modern society.

This is the differences between D&D and proper story, There's rarely any opportunity to point this out but every work by Nasu so far contains many criticism, deconstruction, or philosophical consideration about society, from the exploration of social phenomenon and human emotion in KnK, Gil as medium to criticize modern society, Deconstruction of Hero Concept by Emiya family, The analogy of our ecological destruction in earth vs the planet via Gaia vs Alaya, to the question of human apocalypse in Tsuki no Sango, not because of some destruction but rather because of humanity losing their meaning due to flourishing excessively. Putting into perspective Gil motivation in 5th Grail war UBW route is simply a method to criticize the abundance of our society making everything worth less than it is; case in point Human.