Talk:"The Old Man of the Mountain"/@comment-50.71.60.33-20180213041407/@comment-28209103-20180225233307

silly you, you don't need calculator, just borrow that random King Hassan on your support list and try it for yourself. Practical reality trumps any hollow theoritical calculation. I'm not sure if it's 30 or 27 but it should be around that much. while quick should give you around 18% or something. I hardly can quote you an accurate number because I just know roughly how fast I can expect the bar to be filled.. and as I said KH are among the guy who can do back to back NP or at least NP twice in single card rotation.

and Carmilla doesn't need her skill to get to 100% nor she need overkill, same with Stheno. those two gain around 20% to 40% per Quick hit after arts first card bonus. That is to say 40 - 80% per crit hit. I owned NP 3 Carmilla and I could go 200% easily with her from less than 50% if I do full crit with her. This kind of thing are hardly obvious if you focused too much on the stat on top of paper without even giving them a spin.

The way to measure NP gain practically is really easy, how many turns it is needed to get the NP from 0 to 100% in a team of 3. No matter how good your Np gain is, no matter if you can get 80% np bar from 1 card, the bar is useless till you get 100%, no matter if you can go over 150% that servant are no better than those who can go 100%  However this kind of method are hard to be quantified, you need to test it, then get the hang of it. Knowing intuitively how fast you can expect X servant to get their NP to full.

This is also related to the team, some servant are so bad at NP gain that you need to supply them with constant arts chain, others are so good that you can build a flexible team with them. Understanding their basic Np gain and deck compatibility are among the most basic of basic.