Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-173.206.31.107-20180222051853

+ Rockjuve

Problem isn't he saying he sucks, cause he still has some uses +FGOHIKARU just uses some rediculous criterias like he's a jack of all trades he has no niche as an argument. It's like saying the guy in school who gets an F in math,english,history and language but gets an A in science is better then the guy who gets a C in everything.

I've won my case when he started rampaging on insults. I never argued astolfo was amazing or great just that he was alright, he went and said he was the worst SR rider and bottom tier SR and never would ever use him if they could, then went and made up random things like damage ceiling, niches and nonsensical comparisons like bring in scatach. Apparently it's fine for him to compare mary/martha in utility/survival niches but it's "STUPID DESPERATION" to compare them to other servants outside of rider classes that compete with them for a non damage role.

+ FGOHikaru

You don't need to you know you can't argue when you've gotta start using gems like mental pollution and DO YOU KNOW ZE ENGLISH. PFFT you know you're crap at arguing when you have to screw in insults every paragraph, and make up nonsensical "DAMAGING CEILING" terms.