Talk:Beast/@comment-25192437-20161223055341/@comment-28209103-20170225113950

Nope, Kingu does said that but in Nasuverse there's all kind of Holy Grail, even the previous Fuyuki holy grail are just mass of pure colorless prana before get corrupted from Angra Mainyu and become all the world evil. In the world of Apocarypha Fuyuki container remains untainted since Einzbern does not summon avenger. Moon Cell are also considered the Holy Grail of Fate/Extra and it's just bunch of recording.

Probably the original Holy Grail indeed have the ability of mother ocean but Fuyuki's Holy Grail definitely don't have that black mud  property at beginning, unless by coincidence Einzbern managed to replicate the function of real Holy Grail by adding Avenger to the mix. At the very least Gil clearly states that the Black mud are indeed similar to other grail corruption, yet it's fundamentally different due to it's authority, that's why he calls it chaos tide rather than black mud like normal black grail mud.