Talk:Valentine 2018/@comment-184.12.136.87-20180130233500/@comment-28209103-20180131110741

@Valeth : there's defensive skill stack, and there's offensive skill stack. for shuten she perform better when you forgoes all defensive option for full atk buff which is why I said she need to go full offensive. it also imply you need to aim for that 3 turns window when she's at her peak with 100% atk up and enemy with over 30% defense down together with the team.

And that's where she differ from Jack and MHX, once she goes full offensive she's way ahead the other assassin by leaps and bound with that insane buff and at the same time the team entered "super servant' mode for 3 turns together with her. the full offensive means exactly that; your TEAM is on damage rush to kill enemy. If it's against Rider it's not doable with Caster hence I rarely pair her with Tamamo.. if it's other class Arts bible dictate I must take the proper class matchup so I rarely use her outside Rider fight. however at that peak point all of her attack will net you more than 30k damage per hits with Buster give you JAlter level of absurdness vs Rider.

Cleo tho are now contender for better than Shuten.. if you can bypass IP RNG she legit can reach Shuten level of buff + debuff