Talk:Prologue/December 26, 2017/@comment-12160982-20180102201223/@comment-28048698-20180103001708

@Shikifan: It's true, but let me give you an example. If you make a surprise attack with your bare hand against someone with an armor, you are not going to damage him. If you make a surprise attack against a wall of steel, you are not going to damage the wall. Surprise attack only matter to nullify the enemy's evasion and reflex (in other words, the Agility parameter).

However, even if Kirei did a surprise attack and Da Vinci wasn't able to evade, he still needed to surpass Da Vinci's endurance. Surprise or not, she is a Servant. Her body is harder than steel. A simple Endurance E is beyond a human's strength. Kuzuki's hands were able to damage Servants because it had Medea's Reinforcement, so... Kuzuki's insane strength + Medea's insane magic = him being able to fight Servants.

The same with Bazett. She use runes. We don't know what kind of runes (yeah, runes that reinforce, but I mean what is the power of the runes), but the McRemitz served the gods in the Age of Gods, then it's a very old family, it wouldn't be weird for them to have the primeval runes (those used by Odin, Scathach, Bryn, and Cú) or old runes (a copy of the primeval runes). In other words, very powerful runes.

It doesn't make sense for the old Kirei (the one with less strength) to pierce a Servant with his bare hands, unless he received a very, very insane reinforcement (for example, from someone else from the Age of Gods).