Talk:Karna/@comment-28136716-20171222092729/@comment-33579485-20171223174708

"If you looking for closest example its FGO Babylonia Chapter where he (and other) recognize Tiamat as serious threat. I'm surprised you call serious Gil is a myth. "

Is FGO even cannon?

"Nope. She win because Kiritsugu act managed to force Gil to retreat, not really proving Altria stand better than Gil as what happened is otherwise instead, until Kiritsugu come."

I said she won, not that she beat gil there. I never claimed otherwise.

"Have you ever seen Gil bothered by Shirou and EMIYA copying his weapons? "

Nope, comes back to him never being serious and constantly losing because of it.

"Similar to Karna, this guy managed to stand against his hard counter (Arjuna, in Karna case). Not to mention both counters are blessed by divine. If that's not involving combat prowess, what is that? Don't take him lightly just because what he did is throwing random weapons and capable of powerful beam attack. "

I don't take him lightly, I never said he was weak, infact he's probably the most powerful servant in cannon. I said his powers outside GOB are underwhelming. But GOB is so ridiculous it doesn't really matter. I don't think his skill outside GOB rise to gary stu level. "Gil death in all route even the HF route are due to his negligence."

I think having such a huge character flaw that basically guarantees he'll never defeat anyone important is enough to disqualify him from gary stu.

"it's just that he's designed so that it's impossible to realisticly beat him.."

Which is why serious gil will remain a myth in any "important" situation. Because if he gets serious he'll destroy all opposition with reckless abandon. Barring the introduction of other ridiculous enemies. Like FGO level enemies.

He'll never get serious unless he's somehow allowed to become the protagonist IMO.