Talk:Ryougi Shiki (Saber)/@comment-112.215.244.240-20180214175946/@comment-34208015-20180218192658

Hum you're completly misunderstanding my point. I'm not denying that NP gen, star gen are part of the stats of a servant. Where I have a problem is that you consider passive bonuses as part of stats while it's clearly not. Passives are bonuses/maluses applied above raw stats and by definition can't be treated as stats. Stats are purely the static raw number written on the servant profile. Everything else is applied in game over the flat stats number.

And I don't even get with reviewer stuff come in while I just basically stated you can't review a servant based only on stats since there is much more coming in consideration and that in the end you'll have to introduce a biais to decide if the servant is good or not (according this biais).

The topic has never been opened as "Screw, Shiki saber has the worst stats of all SSR saber". I think I carefully put Atk stats in my sentences. Since then I have always been speaking about Shiki Atk stats and her overall stats. The debate was about if it's legit to include stats calculation. And as I stated earlier the answer is no. You can't include passive skills into considderation; Stats are in first place static raw base number, calculating a stat (Atk, HP or anything else) is already wrong.