Talk:Astolfo/@comment-2001:569:7CA6:2400:E944:7207:B460:8714-20180118011338/@comment-28209103-20180214024159

1st point, that's argumentation from ignorance. each skill served a purpose for spesific scenario and if you know how to use it then it's not useless. instinct is fine example, it's a meme that gone stale once buster crit is a thing. The trait spesific is even more ridiculous point because it's specialized skill means they're tad powerful against their spesific target, it's not a bad skill just specialized and the ridiculousness when that skill did work made it up for the demerit, ofc that's still not counting the whole skill synergy with team or even the character themselves.

objectively a bad skill is the one that underperform compared to same skill with similar effect (Helena 1st skill), Have low impact that doesn't justify the demerit (again Helena 1st skill, MHX 1st skill, Fionn 2nd skill) or just prone to become RNG victim (MHX 1st skill, Fionn 2nd) or even specialized skill that are useless because there's better alternative (MHX 3rd skill). They're skill that need investment to be somewhat useful but even after all that and even if you learn how to use it.. it's still quite useless, that is a bad skill.

2nd point

That's taking my whole point out of context, I'm pretty sure I always state my main argument first and foremost and emphasis it again in the end but in case you missed it or can't even spot it here :

''"The problem of Astolfo is not limited to skill and NP gain only, there's also the weak damage from the combination of triple Q deck and the low 8k stat." ''

what you quote is just support point for this argument, you're going astray.

and it's even more laughable that you bring up Anne, one of the finest nuker and crit hitter in rider class, like really. She's specialized nuke with 2 big gun that have among the highest NP damage ceiling in this game. As expected for someone who still bandwagoning bout Instinct being bad meme.

2 point that I spot being common "fad" this day that I found to be erronously funny :

1. Independent self sufficient servant doesn't make them good, this is a 3 man cell game and a good team work are better than 3 random dude on the field.

2. Astolfo ain't tad good of independent servant, he's better on team and he's more Jack of all trade master of none.

The reason he's the bottom tier Rider is simple, he's just not tad good at what he's doing, A&M is nuke specialist, Marie is nearly unkillable survivalist, Martha is Healer and debuffer with fast NP gain, Mordred are far better NP spammer, Santa Alter have way higher damage ceiling thanks to NP 5+ Mana Burst and Rinstar is better support and have 2 survival kit. Kinbro need no introduction. Now what's Astolfo good at? nothing, that's what.

without that 3rd skill Medusa have everything that he could offer at competent performance and lower cost, that 3rd skill NP charge is his only saving grace now.